by Robin Garbose
Last Thursday, I had the zechus of appearing at a hearing before two esteemed rabbonim, Rabbi Dovid Cohen and Rabbi Avraham Twerski, to present testimony about the dangers of the group “Call of the Shofar” (COTS). I would like to share some of the events leading up to that appearance, a description of the hearing, as well as excerpts from my testimony.
I want to preface my remarks by saying to those who may feel pained about having attended COTS, please understand that you were targeted, deceived, and manipulated. I empathize with what you are going through. Know that destructive groups go after the best and the brightest; they want members who give them credibility and will work hard for the organization.
You may know me as a filmmaker, creator of “A Light for Greytowers” and “The Heart that Sings,” or as artistic director of Kol Neshama, the summer performing arts program for frum girls. Many of you know me for the innovative work I’ve done in chinuch, bringing Chassidus literally to life through drama. I have dedicated myself to introducing people to their hidden or undeveloped creative gifts, and giving artistic form to the treasure trove of content in our holy heritage.
I also have a background in destructive cults.
Throughout the 90’s, I directed for the television show “America’s Most Wanted,” which involved filmed reenactments of real crimes that occurred where the fugitives were on the run. During that time, I was assigned to cover the counter-cult movement in this country. I have worked closely with world renowned cult expert Steven Hassan, who runs the Freedom of Mind Center in Boston, and has authored two best-selling books on the subject. I was trained by Steve and participated with him in a series of interventions.
MY POST ON FACEBOOK
Call of the Shofar first came to my attention through the December 12 interview on COLlive.com with the group’s leader, Steven Frischling, followed by Rabbi Shea Hecht‘s letter, “Call of the Shofar is a Cult.” I proceeded to read through the hundreds of posts and discovered more discussion threads on Facebook.
I immediately recognized several causes for concern, and posted the following:
“I have chosen to put my name on my posts because I have experience in combating cult mind control. There are many ways in which manipulative people/groups exert influence. I am bothered by this group’s recruitment techniques. I am bothered by the euphoria participants are reporting. I am bothered by the loved ones who are concerned about personality changes. I am concerned about the Eastern influence and similarities to EST and the Forum.
“Of course participants want to connect in a real way, and I am concerned that their vulnerability is being exploited. Groups that practice deceptive persuasion use the bait of truth as well as love-bombing to recruit members. Everyone needs to get educated on the subtle and insidious practices of mind control. Their leader, Mr. Frischling, needs to be thoroughly vetted by experts.”
Several people began reaching out to me privately with disturbing stories, clearly demonstrating that there is far more to this COTS issue than meets the eye.
Here is one example:
“One of my friends became a member of Call of the Shofar. He gave me a really strange book that they “encourage” all of their members to read. He spends a lot of money going to their retreats. Somehow, they convinced him to recruit other people by him paying for them to go to the retreat. He took 3 or 4 friends with him. I think he paid $400 per guest.
“One of the guys he took with him is a good friend of mine and I tried to gently discourage him from going. Apparently, I had nothing to worry about with that friend being recruited because once they found out he was between jobs and out of money they had zero interest in trying to get him to join. I think that they just want to take advantage of young men who are at a confusing point in their lives, as long as they have disposable income.
“While I was relieved that my friend didn’t get sucked into it, I’m still worried about my other friend. I don’t want to say anything publicly because I’m trying to keep an eye on him and keep the lines of communication open. Very weird situation. Their methods are very cult-like.”
VISITOR FROM AUSTRALIA
Upon realizing that COTS had a sophisticated organization in place, I began networking with several prominent Rabbonim, all courageous community leaders, who felt similarly alarmed by the group’s operation, and expressed serious concern about the foreign sources on which the program seemed to be based. I also heard troubling accounts from family members, distraught over the detrimental effects the COTS experience was having on their loved ones.
I entered into heated debates with group members on Facebook. I then uncovered some deeply disturbing information about one of the group’s principal organizers in Crown Heights, and his extensive, well-documented criminal history. Employment on this person’s Facebook page read: Creative Director at Call of the Shofar. After my initial expose on the matter, his titled was reduced to: Enrollment at Call of the Shofar. After last week’s hearing, his title was removed altogether. However, many people are well aware of this person’s high COTS profile, as well as his aggressive recruitment efforts on behalf of the group. Unfortunately, many of the younger people who were recruited by him were completely unaware of his past.
By incredible Hashgacha Pratis, another world-renowned cult and mind control expert, author of several books, and senior authority for Australia, Raphael Aron, happened to be visiting Crown Heights for his grandson’s upsherin at exactly the moment when the COTS story broke on COLlive.com.
Makdim Refuah L’Makah. Raphael Aron became embroiled in the situation, writing an article about the dangers of such groups, taking the helm amidst the confusion and problems emerging throughout the community.
Flooded with emails and phone calls, he spent his two-week visit primarily focused on the complex issues that had besieged the schools. Ironically, just as Raphael Aron returned home to Australia to commence work on an expert report about COTS, Frischling left Australia and landed in Brooklyn, unannounced, demanding meetings with Rabbonim about the Psak against his group. He did not phone ahead and respectfully request an appointment.
THE HEARING
In an effort to overturn the psak of Crown Heights rabbonim, Rabbi Yaacov Schwei and Rabbi Yosef Braun, and get an endorsement from Rabbi Avraham Twerski, Frischling was told that Rabbi Twerski needed to hear both sides.
A hearing was arranged before renowned posek Rabbi Dovid Cohen, with Rabbi Twerski in attendance, on Wednesday, January 16, 2014.
Rabbi Hecht, under the impression that meeting was to be between himself and Frischling, alone in front of the Rav, was surprised to find Frischling with a team of witnesses. Fortunately, Rabbi Cohen scheduled a second meeting one week later, when more evidence could be presented, and the matter would be further explored.
Raphael Aron was just beginning to organize the voluminous amount of material he had received. There was no way a comprehensive, professional report could be ready in less than a week. When efforts to postpone the hearing failed, I flew in from Los Angeles to provide testimony, and make the case that no action should be taken hurriedly, before the completion of Raphael Aron’s report.
On Wednesday morning, I arrived at Rabbi Hecht’s office to find that the meeting had been postponed a day due to weather. My testimony was now scheduled to be heard on Chof Beis Shevat.
At the head of the table sat Rabbi Cohen with Rabbi Twerski by his side. Steven Frischling came with two of his senior “facilitators”.
Also in attendance were Rabbi Shlomo Segal, member of the Beis Din of Crown Heights; Rabbi Dr. Chaim David Kagan, Rabbi of a congregation in Monsey and Principal of a Lubavitch High School; and Rabbi Hecht.
A QUESTION OF FAITH
The meeting began with Rabbi Cohen questioning Frischling about some of his core beliefs. Frischling, by his own admission, acknowledged believing that Moshiach is a state of consciousness rather than a person. He also attested to the fact that he doesn’t daven regularly, nor does he even fulfill the mitzvah of saying Shema, and that he lacked Kabbalos Ol. Consequently, Rabbi Cohen deemed him unfit to be a Mashpia.
The two COTS facilitators asked if they could lead the workshops instead. Rabbi Cohen explained that since they were trained by Frischling, their leadership would be problematic. During Rabbi Cohen’s questioning, conducted with utmost kindness and consideration, Frischling started to become visibly unhinged. He kept interrupting the Rav, lacked composure, and exhibited bizarre behaviors.
Rabbi Segal presented next, reading the Psak Din of Rabbi Zusha Winner, Rosh Yeshiva of Chovevei Torah in Crown Heights and pulpit rabbi in Chabad of Greater Brighton Beach area, outlining six problematic issues with COTS. (Read the document below).
Rabbi Hecht explained that several sources for the program’s components have a basis in Avoda Zara. Rabbi Kagan, who had researched Frischling’s teachers and sources, backed up Rabbi Hecht’s claims with evidence.
Frischling then began moaning about being accused of mind control and leading a cult. It seemed my turn to speak had arrived.
“It is an honor to be here, Rabbi Cohen, with such a dignitary and Torah giant, as well as extraordinary Hashgacha Pratis to be appearing on this auspicious day, the Yahrtzeit of Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka Schneerson, wife of the Rebbe. I am certain that the Rebbetzin is empowering me today as a protector of her precious kinderlach, who, I believe, have been targeted by a destructive group, utilizing deceptive persuasion, irresponsibly practicing dangerous psychological techniques, all under the sole supervision of an unlicensed and virtually unknown practitioner.”
At this point, Frischling and his cohorts disrupted and tried to heckle me. Despite the fact that I was the only female in the room, and they were several times my size, I proceeded with even greater intensity.
Here are some highlights of my presentation:
“Cults typically have a pyramid type authoritarian structure with the leader at the top, and an inner circle of devotees who are the most influenced by his mind control. At the bottom of the pyramid are the potential recruits who are being targeted. Above them are the newest members, and so on. People who have attended one retreat are not nearly as impacted by the undue influence of thought reform as those in the leader’s inner circle. This might explain why so many people who have attended a single retreat reject the notion that they have been “brainwashed.”
“Renowned cult authority, Margaret Singer, writes in her classic text, Cults in our Midst, “The original point of recruitment may vary (between groups), but one constant factor is that rampant deceptions are involved.” Leaders who use mind control have a belief system that the ends justify the means. For example: Because this is such a great, transformational experience, it is okay to use deception in order to get people to attend.
“Numerous reports describe the recruitment tactics COTS members employ. The euphoric friend entices, “You have to go! It’s so amazing! I can’t tell you what goes on there, because it would only diminish the experience.” Or another ploy I heard from several people, “You’ll never guess who’s there! I mean, you wouldn’t believe who goes. I can’t tell you who because we’re sworn to secrecy. But come and have your mind blown.” In cult terminology, this is called deceptive persuasion.
“Now that attendees have been lured to the weekend, what happens when they get there? From the start, efforts to separate the participant from his pre-Shofar identity begin. The men are blindfolded, non-Jewish music is blasted, and they are told to dance. Oftentimes, participants feel uncomfortable, this is alien, not for them, they didn’t know what they were getting into. They want to leave, but it’s too late, they’re stuck– it’s almost Shabbos.”
OTHER POINTERS
At this point in my presentation, Frischling and his facilitators were incensed. I ended with a summary of the seven areas that will be addressed in Raphael Aron’s expert report. Honestly, I could make a movie about this entire story. Robin Williams could play Shea Hecht.
The points that I did not have time to make included:
According to reports, Shabbos meals are eaten in silence. Though this practice of “mindfulness” during meals is common to monks in monasteries, it is certainly antithetical and foreign to our normal Shabbos Tisch. Attendees are told the silence is about developing listening skills, and who is the person they practice listening to? Steven Frischling. Davening happens quickly, during which Frischling has been seen meditating, according to testimonials. When asked when he davens, his answer, “That’s private.”
Another workshop involves men locking legs and staring deeply into each others’ eyes for a prolonged period of time. The group is known to target vulnerable young men, some of whom have experienced abuse or trauma. Having already had their personal boundaries violated, this exercise is particularly dangerous for them. I brought a letter from an acclaimed psychiatrist that elaborated further on these points of risk and negligence.
According to Frischling, respect for privacy at Shofar is paramount. How then does he support and encourage a process whereby, during the radical “Carpet Work,” participants reveal to the group their deepest, darkest personal issues, stories that they may never have shared with their spouses or closest friends? Is not “Carpet Work” potentially, the biggest breach of privacy? Some interviewees – especially those who have left Call of the Shofar – experience painful regret about what they disclosed publicly. Rabbi Kagan was prepared to enumerate on the serious halachic problems this practice poses as well.
One of the more disturbing stories, that seems to have been reported from a number of sources, occurred during a workshop where the men were instructed to place their right hand on the shoulder of someone they like and their left hand on the shoulder of someone they didn’t like. In one particular session, all the men placed their left hand on the shoulder of the same man. Devastated, this humiliated man leapt to his feet, fled the Morristown estate, and bolted toward the train station. The entire program stopped. It was clear that something out of control and potentially fatal was about to occur, and everyone ran after him. Fortunately, they were able to catch the poor man before something truly tragic occurred. I am told this exercise is no longer practiced.
This horrific story, involving a vulnerable person, points to the complete lack of accountability within COTS, and lack of professional input into the establishment of the program. There is nothing that insures safety while engaging in these dangerous psychological exercises. Frischling is not a licensed professional, nor are any of his staff. For if they were licensed, guess what, they would then have to be held accountable to a supervising board or peer review, where there would be an avenue to report complaints. The complete absence of professional supervision demonstrates gross levels of irresponsibility. Furthermore, avoidance of accountability, by having no licensed professionals, further exposes the group’s sinister methodology in which they become the law unto themselves.
As a result of the hearing, Rabbi Cohen paskened that Steven Frischling has the status of Poreik Ol and is not a Yerei Shemayim. Furthermore, he said that he would tell anyone who asks his advice about the COTS program not to go.
In the days to come, Raphael Aron’s in-depth report, elucidating the many complex issues involved, will be presented to the public. Destructive groups violate personal boundaries in the name of giving attendees a transformational experience. Recovery involves restoring healthy and correct boundaries, essential to happiness and well-being.
I would like to conclude by mentioning that in the large cast of heroes in this story, there are several Rabbonim who displayed outstanding courage in the face of intimidation, ridicule, and sometimes hostile resistance: Firstly, Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Braun of the Crown Heights Beis Din, who swiftly issued a Psak Din; Secondly, Rabbi Joseph Rosenfeld, Oholei Torah’s Executive Director, and the Board of Oholei Torah, who took a strong and decisive stance; Thirdly, Rabbi Hecht, who places himself in the line of fire, tirelessly dedicated to eradicating this dangerous problem from our community, often at great personal risk.
May we have healing and move forward to greet Moshiach Tzidkeinu… in person!
THE COVERAGE ON COLlive:
+ Man Behind “Call of the Shofar”
+ Rabbi Hecht: “Call of the Shofar is a Cult
+ Rabbi Y Schochet: Call of the Void
+ What Really Happens at “Shofar”
+ Op-Ed: The Call Is Simply a Symptom
+ Rabbis Convene Urgent Gathering
+ 2000 at “Urgent Gathering”
+ R’ Yoel Kahn’s Full Speech
+ Cult Expert Explains Dangers
+ Oholei Torah Staff Issue Statement
+ Bochurim Protest School Firing
+ Confessions of a ‘Shofar’ Staffer
+ Oholei Torah Reinstates Teachers
+ How to Detox from ‘Shofar’
+ Comedy: The Call of the Puppet
+ Chabad Rabbis Ban “Call of Shofar”
this is only the beginning.
be afraid.
Thank you, from the author.
Very Well written!! Rabi Schwei and Rabbi Braun were the 1st to tell the truth!!
According to the article, Rabbi Cohen referred to the founder as a “poreik ol”. The Gemarra in Yuma, 85b, states that a poreik ol is one of the categories for which there is no tshuva. Furthermore, Rashi comments that a poreik ol is a kofer b’ Hakados Baruch Hu—a denier of the Holy One Blessed Be He. In addition, the Gemarra states that someone who leads others to sin is also denied tshuva. Certainly, influencing people to curse the parents, something that is clearly done by the founder and his trainees, falls into this category. This man and his program… Read more »
you need to understand that we are not trying to hurt anybody but we are trying to protect ourselves! the damage done by a speaker who has gone AND STILL BELIEVES THIS IS HIS SALVATION IN LIFE should be exposed in order to protect the public, or the children of such a teacher from being taught views that are heretical to our values! we are not upset at them for going! but if they are still trapped and confused, they dont belong in those positions- for the safety of the community! the minute they ‘GET IT’ . they are welcome… Read more »
I want to thank all the commenters who voiced support of the united efforts to expose this group’s deception and danger. There have been attempts by group members to intimidate and suppress information. Your vocal support has given me and many others the koach needed to persevere. I urge anyone who feels confused or pained by what they’ve been through with this group to reach out to Rabbonim and experts. If you feel that you experienced a unique “high” at shofar that you wont find again, know that it was an engineered, manipulated high, with short-term effects. Rest assured that… Read more »
Anyone who went innocently is certainly a victim. Those in the inner circle are also victims. Even the founder is a victim; a victim of himself. But he and his sickness still must be purged from klall Yisroel. Ohavei Hashem Sinu Rah.
I agree stop the witch hunt!!!
From the Author
You reiterate an important point. Attendees went innocently. The problem lies with the people more deeply ensnared. This group targeted, preyed upon vulnerability– to be human is to be vulnerable. There s much to say on this subject.
Thank you Robin, thank you to the rabbis who have put their time into understanding, deep gratitude for the attendees who will look deeply within and determine how to do teshuva and release the binds of the brainwashing, thank you to the psychologist and staff who wrote a clear synapsos on Cots and deep appreciation to the readers who will lovingly and respectfully help those who have been exposed to COTS.
As much as COTS had a problem with Lashon Hara, it seems that some of us are committing the same evil while trying to find the “sinners” who participated in COTS. The people who went there are innocent, since they went assuming that all was kosher. Those that are calling on a “with hunt” are committing Sinas Chinom.
Your powerful, eloquently expressed comments touch upon a critical matter. 83’s comment– “The violations of halacha, even the very foundations of Yiddishkeit, just on this one point are beyond comment” — hits at the very core of this pernicious leader and his insidious psychological techniques. Unfortunately, even though the problem has been exposed to some degree, the impact and ramifications are FAR from over. We must unite, and compassionately reach out to our brothers and sisters who have been infected. As a community, it is imperative that we have professional assistance with much needed intervention and recovery process. 83’s comment… Read more »
unfortunately not true. many are still adamant that this is a wonderful place and would still go again.
they are taken over by this tuma to a deep level sincerely believing this has been good for them.
they are so lost its scary to talk to them- brainwashed totally!
we need to daven and try to help them but otherwise if they dont come-around they should be publicized and removed from position for the sole reason that they try to spread this poison to others esp. those who dont know the sources .
לא יעזור כלום לא רבנים ולא משפיעים הם בטרוףואטרף הם יוכיחו שהם טובים יותר וחכמים יותר ישנה רק תשובה אחת לגלות קלונם וברבים דוקא הם מחטיאים את הרבים!! כבר נכתבו אלפי דפים שזה לא כשר והשרץ משקר באלפי תירוצים לאלו שנתפסו ויודעים שמם ושם אמם כל יום שעובר נראה יותר ויותר ההיזק ו פריצות תרתי משמע ששתים שלש בינינו אחראים לא פחות ועוד לא דיברנו על המשפיע המהולל שאדם חס על דמיו ולא על ימיו השם ירחם ועל זה עוד ניתן את הדין על הסובלנות וההבנה שלא במקומה וכבר אמרו בגמרא עניוותו של …נחרב בית המקדש ומסימים בטוב ישמור כל… Read more »
At this point I think everyone realizes it was a mistake and regrets going.
Keep in mind that COTS exercises did not just violate inyanei loshon hara and rechilius, but kibbud av v’eim as well, and EGGREGIOUSLY! This man, the founder, made it part of his shita to explode even the smallest complaint (real or imagined, it didn’t matter) someone may have had against their mother or father. “Breath into the pain,” “Scream like (deleted) animal!” he would repeatedly yell at his victim, until his face “turned purple” with rage. And then, after reaching the depth of depravity, demonstrating the nadir of his own hypocricy, he would “coach” his victim into “taking responsibility” for… Read more »
I agree
were not asking fired but for a comprehensive honest deprogramming.
there are those who claim stopping ties and really arent- they should be honest about their positions and step down.
we know they went for good reasons but damage was done.
hecht and aron are talking about those that regret going.
those that dont should be removed from their positions until tshuva.
chinuch comes first.
Thank you both.
We are dealing with info that can ruin lives. When a son tells about the cruelty of his father etc., that may jeopardize the job, honor, communal position etc. of the father. It may harm the family for shiduchim etc. Disgrace the grandchildren etc. Besides, And it may be the subjective feelings of the son, exaggerating the father’s faults. Rabbi Winner said that if you can accomplish this through a private therapy, then group therapy of this sort would be Lashon Hara. Ultimately, a Rav should decide on each individual case how to handle this issue. People who went to… Read more »
Make him refund the money he robbed from deceiving unsuspecting Yidden. That will be his first step to Tshuva.
Have him apologize in public, if not punished any other way.
Let’s remember that Shea Hecht and Aaron both said that mechanchim do not have to be fired. Rabbi Hecht said when he spoke”mechanchim who went, should be praised for wanting to grow. They went there innocently.”
To the person concerned about the madhpia being rehired: if cots is a problem, then its a problem with all mechanchim who went, not just him. Let’s not single a home out. They were all at the same program
Nice letter by Rabbi Winner.
the BIG BLOW TO SHOFAR
B. H.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE MONTHS AGO
BUT THANK G-D ITS OVER
He is not endorsing call of the shofar anymore. Visit call of the shofar endorsments his name was removed
The CURE is TANYA and Chassidus which leads to true MEANING AND HAPPINESS. Boruch Hashem this pitfall is hopefullly over. The question remains what was pulling
all those who went R”L. From the reports it sounds totally bizarre .Nothing that would attract normal Yidden and especially Chassidim even more so Lubavitchers.
Pure klipah!!! Clearly מעשה שטן ר”ל
Hopefully the good thing is that there will be a strengthening in learning and living Chassidus
leading to the immediate Geulah Bekorov Mamash.
thank you rabbi
thank you col
throughout history we have seen new fangled ideas: snake oil, miracle creams, etc offered and gobbled up by the sheeple – foods that were considered harmful are now considered beneficial.. on and on this story goes. Torah is the ONE everlasting and unchanging constant that we have available to us for FREE!!!
and it can’t get used up either…………. To all those who keep spouting that the nay sayers are the “old” and the “young and smart” are introducing life saving fabulous ideas – I am sad for you. This is the talk of the founders of the reform movement.
Thank you to Torah Scholars and Community Leaders for taking a stand, promoting truth, and negating evil with clarity and confidence. You know who you are, and you do it leshem Shamayim.
Example, Rabbi Zushe Winner, etc.
If that’s true, someone should contact the other rabbis who endorsed this zevel. And “rabbi” should be removed from the founder’s title, FORTHWITH!
To 13 The details of this story will be included in Raphael Aron’s expert report based on first-hand testimony.
To 26 I consulted with several Rabbonim while writing this article, and received notes on it from Rabbonim before publication.
Rabbi Twersky does not consider himself as a Posek. He encouraged and attended the hearing with Rav Dovid Cohen who paskened that based on the Psak of R. Moshe Feinstein Z”L that one should not go to this program. Rabbi Osdoba will publish a comprehensive psak din shortly. As far as we know he will certainly not endorse going to COTS.
rabbi twerski is a psychologist, not a posek, which is why he went to hear dayan cohens psak and accept from him the din.
i dont know why others arent paskening- it seems they have close ones that went although i dont see why thats a reason not to pasken if one is rav in a community.
You have tremendous guts may G-d bless you in every way.
I think our job now is simple. Make sure no more workshops (damage) occurs.
And then go one by one or maybe in a group to eliminate the treif ideology they absorbed.
Twerski is in an uncomfortable position. His brother gave a haskama to COTS, which is pretty shameful, if you ask me. ANY statement by A Twerski would be either harmful to his brother or shredded by the public, depending on the statement. One would hope he has more integrity than that.
From what I can tell Rabbi Cohen did not say COTS is a cult or sourced from loshon hora. He only stated that Frishling or anyone who studied under him cannot run the seminars.
So what’s Rabbi Twerski’s psak? And why didn’t Rabbi Osdoba say anything?
just because something is ok for the rest of the world doesnt make it halachically acceptable or in line with chabad. everything we do has to be okayed by halacha and if you consider yourself lubavitch, by our rebeim as well. the fact that something became popular and ‘effective ‘ means nothing to us.. the world constantly goes thru phases where ‘this is the most amazing way to go…’ and its only a matter of time before the negative results start rolling in and a new way comes up…only to be turned down later again. Baruch Hashem we have Torah… Read more »
This is getting old. Can we have a new controversy to talk about?
re: your comment Where you say “well used and very effective” maybe this too should be examined? You are making a statement as though “well used..” makes it okay and kosher. Pork and shellfish are also well used and effective – You are operating with a premise that since it has been used and never questioned till now makes it okay. Maybe this is the time to reevaluate many practices that we have accepted as okay?
I personally have not gone to Call of the Shofar and for the past while I have just been watching, hearing, and reading much of the reactions and responses, like many others in the community. I think one of the biggest issues is when things are mixed up. For example the problem that we should find everything in Chassidus, in my opinion, should not be mixed in with an issue of this program being Avodah Zarah or harmful to people. Priorities need to be clear, otherwise it’s one big Cholent with a lack of clarity which just leads to people… Read more »
When I stop to think this REALLY happened and it’s not merely a silly dream I shudder. How did this happen? How are those that attended and encouraged others still preaching to our women, chabad houses, conventions etc. The fact that they are still operating as though nothing happened proves they are so far farkrachin that they see nothing wrong with this issue. Many are extremely concerned but are not willing to stick their necks out and bring this issue to the forefront. Which Rav will have the guts and step up to the plate? A true chassid recently tuned… Read more »
we should ignore, forgive, move on when we or are children are being fed poison???? since when does torah say to allow other philosophies be taught if the person is a yid and we should just ‘be nice’ we have NOTHING against those who went but unfortunately their minds have been played with and in order to teach you need to be on a ceratin standard. nothing personal here its just a question of ‘is this person in the right capacity to teach others about serving Hashem:? no they arent! just as you wouldnt hire someone who isnt frum to… Read more »
you are right, when we find fault with a fellow yid we are essentially hurting ourselves since we are ONE. just one question did you also write a similar comment when innocent people and families were being slaughtered publicly for over two years? Or is this one just closer to your home?
Why is he back in Ohli Torah if he has done such a thing?
We need to do something about this.
Spoken like a true COTSie
Robin, may Hashem repay you tenfold for your dedication
many people expressed concern about the content of shiurim given in the community. “how can we know if the speaker has been influenced by COTS?” they ask. the only way to be sure is to learn chassidus yourself and not rely on speakers and online forums to tell you what our rebbeim said. we have, b”h, thousands of printed seforim covering all areas of torah and hashkofa. GO LEARN! and then learn some more. encourage your friends and family to learn. by educating yourself you will be able to discern truth from fiction, and maybe become a better jew in… Read more »
Could we get Rabbi Winners psak in english?
Copies these workshops in other Yeshivas.
Don’t let this pass.
It’s a serious probablem, I witnessed people going crazy after!
would make a great Shea Hecht! Can’t wait to see THAT!!
please post letter in English too
I think that the WHOLE community needs to do Tshuva. Is being arrogant a sin? Is Lashon Hara a sin? Is not judging favorably a sin? Beware: YOU may be guilty by your judgements of a fellow Yid, your arrogance about your own avodas Hashem. Forgive. Move on. Judge all Jews favorably and stop the call for witch hunt lists that would embarrass good Yidden (like killing them). This is hurting the community and individuals who use it as a distraction from the real tshuva. Hashem knows the truth and loves each Yid. Stop the arrogance and Lashon Hara. Do… Read more »
SHOW me one Rov who supports it now!
All the letters that came out are against it.
“…In this capacity, Goebbels was charged with presenting Hitler to the public in the most favorable light, regulating the content of all German media and fomenting anti-Semitism. Goebbels forced Jewish artists, musicians, actors, directors and newspaper and magazine editors into unemployment, and staged a public burning of books that were considered ”un-German.” He also spearheaded the production of Nazi propaganda films and other projects. Goebbels remained in this post and was loyal to Hitler until the end of World War II (1939-45)” -DB
Thank you Rabbi Winner for being the first Rov coming out with an elaborated Psak.
Now people who went can’t say anymore M’Heichan Dantuni.
AS i started reading Rabbi Winner’s letter i thought he was discussing chw. The more i read the more i was convinced.
Exposing people’s sins publicly, explicit descriptions of their sins etc.
#10 what are you going on about. You sound like a misnagid
if you are a snag go hang out on a snag website if you are chabad
stop playing the role of the smart guy bc from your post its evident that you are not.
This story is huge
How many people go to this program already?
im so glad you took the time to clarify this whole mess it sheds so much light on the situation
and thank you rabbi hecht for all you do for us and the whoel community of crown heights.
that is not dealing with this head-on!
face the issue instead of ignoring it and hoping it will pass!
do you care about the children or your reputation/pockets?
MOST if not EVERY yeshiva in crown heights has many mechanchim who have participated- its no secret!
its each ones achrayus to investigate their staff!
can r zushes letter be translated please so all can understand? to 24- listen to shea hechts talk- he called up this twersky who admitted that he didnt know much about the program but he gave his endorsement solely since steven seemed like a fine man to him. i agree that a list with who has REALLY been deprogrammed would be very refreshing. its not so believable that heavy believers were fully deprogrammed within one day. somehow these ‘assurances’ arent too convincing and still leave many quite worried. its also unsettling to not know which speakers are pure or not-… Read more »
From what i have heard behind the scenes, is that the stuff that happens at the weekends is rooted in Buddhism, and that the programs is similar to a Jews for J, but instead for Buddah.
Whether Simcha realizes this or not, or whether he is doing this intentionally or not, i don’t know, but this is reality!
Has this been made aware to the public ?!?
open your Tzach list……
There are to many to list…
Why was there a letter distributed to all the staff issuing a gag order and threatening staff…..
Where are the real leaders in Lubavitch Yeshiva?
Why the cover up????
Many of the staff were encouraged by a fellow staff member, who also “Happens” to be a owner/investor in COTS, to leave their families for the weekend “retreat” !!!!
Why the silence ???
Ki Hashochad Yiaver…..
Time to clean the house
“Rabbi Hecht, under the impression that meeting was to be between himself and Frischling, alone in front of the Rav, was surprised to find Frischling with a team of witnesses”
what happened at that 1st meeting?
You have stated very articulately what many of us are worried about.
We have all developed a liking to different speakers and lecturers in our communities and over the web that we thought give us wisdom and inspiration. But now that a number of these high ranking speakers and lecturers have gone to these retreats and adopted thier perspectives and ideas, they use it as a frame work and structure for developing thier classes.
How can one detect if what the speaker or lecturer is saying is based on chassidus or lihavidl cots or others like it?
Can we pls have a list of rabbonim, shluchim, teachers, etc who attended COTS and maybe testimony from Raphael Aron on every single one of them if they have been affected or not.
If in fact he doesn’t Daven and isn’t Frum, he is also a deceptive liar. the pictures of him at the sessions are with a Kippah and he presents himself to the crowd as Frum. Pure charlatan.
Dear Rabbi Winner, kol ha’kovod, for writing this teshuva. With Lomdus, mind and heart you nailed the case. You rose to the occasion. A threat arose that threatened the very fabric of our community and culture. And instead of a lot of talk, panic, fiery rhetoric and the like, coming from all quarters, you come along with the “goods”. Real Deal Torah Scholarship. This is the way more of our Rabbonim should operate. May this be a beginning of a new standard: Rabbonim should learn the skills needed to write clear, presentable תשובות on ALL sorts of contemporary Halachik Issues.… Read more »
I hear that some Rabbonim and Shluchim who voiced their objections to COTS were ridiculed and even threatened with physical harm. All the trappings of a cult.
Did the writer of this report get reshus from the Rabbonim of the hearing to write a play by play report of what happened behind closed doors of this hearing?
Will COL even publish this comment?
Thank you for stating your resounding NO to Call of Shofar.
Trying to figure out how certain Rabbanim, including Rav Michel Twerski got duped into supporting something that is so Anti Torah and a person that is so irreligious.
This is not nuts. This is an attempt to sell Snake Oil or a magic bullet. If a person needs psychological or emotional assistance (and there is NO shame in that) they need to get therapy from licensed professionals. Everyone should have a mashpia but sometimes professional help is needed. Especially when today there are many therapists who are Yirei Shomayim in their personal daily lives.
Let’s see how many comments this article gets!! Good job Robin!!
thank you robin cots is brainwashing and i personaly know pple brainwashed by it and Hashem will give them all the strenghth to go forth and serve Hashem the true way not different styled i heard from their and Moshiach Should come now thank you may u have alot of Hatzlacha in ur new video candle light cant wait for it!!
actually if theyre laughing its at how we got involved with this meshugas in the first place!!
chilul lubavitch unfortunately.
this is only a non-issue to those who have gone, been brainwashed and can no longer see the issue!.
so, which REAL issues are you focusing on and helping lubavitch with today?
Id rather hear rabbi cohen and rabbi twerski’s halachic and psychological psak than a dramatic (no pun intended) lady’s bias opinion
Conventional wisdom and rumor says that Rabbi Rosenfeld was threatened with serious threats to take back the mashpim that participated etc.
Then it was announced that they went through deprogramming etc. etc. But if it true that there were threats by certain family members then we have an even more serious problem on our hands than just COTS.
Yasher koach to all those involved in hopefully putting this fire out. Rabbi Cohen is the most compassionate Rav I have ever encountered. Maychoyel el choyel.
Thank you for shedding light on this fishy group. As soon as I heard that there were no licensed mental health professionals supervising the place-I urged people not to go.
As you said, licensing assumes accountability.
well said to the point.
i am sorry, no one is laughing at you , we all just feel bad for you
your story of putting the left hand on somebody you trust did not happen during a workshop, and it did not result in someone leaving. it was an excursive introduced for staff, as a staff building excursive. nobody ever left.
If you think a shlucha was spreading inappropriate ideas at the kinus why not say her name so people can know?
As usual, chabad getting myopic on non-issues to refocus attention away from real issues. This is dumb and stupid and shameful. The rest of the world is laughing at you.
well said
But I think Rabbi Cohen was much too kind to someone who is more of an apikoress and kopher than simply a poreik ol.
Great job to all those who stood tall and fought for Toras Hashem.
this is an amazing story that confirms sall the rumors.
and s special thanks to COLlive for exposing this vermin
I still can’t believe how people believed that COTS was kosher
its only because the brainwashing
we still have a big problem on our hands: many of our leaders and speakers have gone, were brainwashed and their talks are now in line with cots to an unsuspecting audience or class in school!?!? most listeners dont realize that what theyre being fed from this -used-to-be respecatble person is now completely poison; we all have a job to re-scrutinize our teachers, speakers and shluchim! unfortunately we can no longer trust those we have till now! even at the 22 shevat convention was a speaker whos talk was filled with cots. this was from a very-respected top shlucha unfortunately… Read more »
Wow! Robin, you really came through and dealt the final blow to this deceitful and horrible group.
Good work!
THANK YOU! THIS IS INCREDIBLE! TO those who went, can someone help me with this famous quote: “before the times of mashiach, the ropes of emuna will shake harder and harder and many people will fall. ” even the greatest tzadikim were afraid of this time because of its many challenges; the satan went after the really good people here and many have unfortunately fallen-because it was presented in such a clever guise! please may they take heed and realize what has happened to them and come back because this program has planted alien seeds in their minds and its… Read more »
it is a relief to see that we do have leaders who care. great job starting from shea hecht, be matzliach
Thanks COL for posting it.
Thank you for some clear, well written, and informative words – that help clarify the confusion in my mind about what’s been happening.