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COLlive exclusively broadcasted the Tznius lecture for women and girls by Rabbi Aharon David Gancz, an educator in New Jersey. The lecture in Crown Heights was organized by B'nos Melech B'Yachad. The broadcast was sponsored by Innovision and COLlive. Video will be posted in a few hours. More
COLlive exclusively broadcasted the Tznius lecture for women and girls by Rabbi Aharon David Gancz, an educator in New Jersey. The lecture in Crown Heights was organized by B'nos Melech B'Yachad. The broadcast was sponsored by Innovision and COLlive. Video will be posted in a few hours. More
Rabbi Gancz, you are a true shliach of the Rebbe!!!
please post the supposed pic u keep referring to! black n white pics make cannot differentiate subtle colors like pink and yellow! re the hear uncivered there are less than a handful of pics of the rebbetzins out there! Rabbi Y Krinsky was asked to address the famous pic where the rebbetzin is see wearing a hat of sorts… he publicly DEBUNKED and DENOUNCED such propadanda as baseless and suspiciously motivated!!! clarifying that the rebbetzin always ware a sheitel benieth the hat! as was mihag beis harav! and is practiced by many ultra orthodox sects today! but that minhag beis… Read more »
No one yet has answered the innocent question raised by 91. I know as a fact looking at photgraphs of hasidishe women of yesteryear, who were moser nefesh for the cause of yidishkeit and were staunch chasidim of the rebbeim who were not wearing head coverings nor dressing in the same guidelines as todays women are being demanded. SO why was that so? That’s it seesm to be asked. No excuses seem to be attempted, excdpet intimdating answers perhaps someone here can shed light on the rebetzins and women of maaseh….
92 iz 1000% clear! unless one is afraid to understand what 92 is exposing! 92 is showing u something in between your lines! some of u willl try to dress up your depraved temptations in all sorts of cleaver garb! and excuses! but u can always detect the underlying agenda! if u notice where they are trying to lead… in your case you are clearly avoiding the clear psak of the rebbeh, by seeking to deffend and rationalize your (sad) need, nothing personal! its really sad! at least if u r one of our own chabad raised (to know better)… Read more »
unless one is afraid to understand what 92 is exposing!
92 is showing u something in between your lines!
some of u willl try to dress up their there depraved temptations in all sorts of cleaver garb!
but u can always detect the underlying goal! if u notive where they are trying to go!
in your case
you are avoiding the clear psak of the rebbeh, and seeking to deffend and rationalize your (sad) need
nothing personal its really sad! at least if u r one of our own chabad raised (to know better)
i’m not questioning the minhag. I want to know based n pictures that I have personally seen as many friends of mine have and we concluded that if the rebetzin…. We just want clarification, not intimdation.
be careful when you pass off statements as fact, especially if you are dealling with the frierdiker rebbe’s daughters! if u know anything about derech chabad! you would not go public with your agenda driven statement! any chossid who was in the system for 5 min, knows the rebbe’s statements re not to question or emulate mihag beis harav, even where you are actually 100% certain that your not mis-interpolating! a chossid never sees a dilema when the rebbeh says a clear directive that differs with our perception of “mihag beis harav” on tznius the Rebbeh was excedingly clear that… Read more »
Excuise my ignorance, but it seems that the rebetzin and her sisters, who are the holy daughters of the previous rebbe zy’a did not have their necklines all the way high like you are expecting of us. Shoulkd our example of all not be the bais harav. Please clarify.
i dont judge them!!
i know i have my weaknesses! we all do!
lets be m’karev them and find ways to make them feel pretty even if they are dressed modestly!
all it takes is “Dvorim hayotzim mehalev”
YOU WROTE: “I see absolutely nothing wrong with lower cut necklunes, they’re justt not as nebbi as the disgusting ugly choking ones” MY RESPONSE: i hope you were being sarcastic!! if not ch”v, you comment says much about you! its sad to hear how ppl like youself feel, that they are ugly or nebby if they follow halacha! do u really find that if it’s not low cut, its choking and nerdy!?? your excusses sound unconvincing! get a nice friend or pro-therapist and you’ll discover that you are working very hard to fill a void inside that cant be helped… Read more »
it shows i am not a pushover who feels ugly in normal cloths
your adjenda is soooo see-through! and obvious!! to anyone who knows kollel men! if you have weanesses re your level of attractiveness, and feel ugly in halachacly kosher clothing than admit your problems to yourself, and start figuring out how to get help, bec self image issues can lead to far worse issues as you get older! but pleeeeze dont embarras all of us by your deffensive attacks on those who have self respect, and maturity to follow halacha, and still feel pretty! cmon! i feel embarrassed for you when i see you advertising your self-image issues on the street!… Read more »
Tznius is cool The yizer hara and hot to Yidiskeit Moshich is on TheWay (Please dont Greet Moshich in jeans )
at least re my friends! this generalization holds true, that there is a DIRECT correlation between how bad she feels about her self and how bad she violates halacha! at least in my circle of friends, the less tznius ones are also the ones with major selfesteem problems! thats why we should NOT attack them, they have enough inner demons to fight off!, the best way we can help them is to be loving towards them, also, by dressing very stylish and cool yet tznius! you can also find an indirect way to let them know the Rebbe’s guaranties for… Read more »
would any lady wear jeans to the white house?
do lehvadil AKUM wear Jeans to CHURCH?
Really? What’s wrong with the way we dress? We aren’t showing cleavage per se. Tell me what’s wrong with me not choking myself with a neckline going all the way up my neck. I see absolutely nothing wrong with lower cut necklunes, they’re justt not as nebbi as the disgusting ugly choking ones. Does it say anywhere in halacha that my legs have to be covered? aLSO, WHAT’S WRONG WITH PANTS. iN MY OPINION IT’S MORE TZNIUS THAN A SKIRT, THAT’S WHY i STARTED TO WEAR JOGGING PANTS WHEN RUNNING around prospect park every morning. It is a mitzvah to… Read more »
they wish to dress down!
they wish to dress and impress farmer joe!
they wish to pander to the peasants and lower class shleppers,
who accuse them of being in the ivory tower!
its prust, to wear geans not silk etc
to 80
jeans is a casual type of material that usually look best frayed and “dirty”
its not very befitting for jewish especially lubavitch girls who have to make a kiddush hashem and kiddush chabad to wear this overly casual type of clothing
What is jeans ???
Sadly, it is you, the one disdainfully lecturing, who missed a fundamental concept in Tanya: klippas nogah. How, therefore, are jeans a sin?
Aside for you premise being completely unfounded, you still have not shown what the difference between jeans and nerdy skirt suits is.
From my expirience with Rabbi Gancz, I’ve learned he enjoys making contraversial forums.
He is often correct but most times takes the issue slightly overboard.
Understandable, because of his background.
Noone denies the issue of tznius is seriouse.
Noone disagrees that a huge V neck shouldnt be worn in ANY orthodox community.
Problem is, he took it too far: long hair, material of the skirt.
He’s correct that there’s a need for a respect for modesty.
He should not have gone over the edge.
No disrespect to Rabbi Gancs but he always comes on too harsh.
I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO WANT TO BE TZNIUSDIK, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT TURNED ALOT OF PEOPLE OF FROM IT. ONE IS THE LOVELY TEACHERS AND LEADERS OF BAIS RIVKAH WHO EMBARRAS GIRLS AND TREAT THEM LIKE CRIMINALS WITHOUT ANY RESPECT OR TRUST SO THE GIRLS FEEL THAT THIS IS ALL A HYPOCRACY, AND IF THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE REAL FRUM THEN THEY DON’T WANT ANY PART IN IT. AND TO NUMBER 7. BAIS RIVKA SURE ROCKS. EVERY GIRL (UNLESS, SHE IS SOME BIG NAME) IS ALWAYS MISTRUSTED. ALL THIS BY… Read more »
in chabad chasidus And in tanya anything that not god fering and holines is considerd like the klipa ov eidelwership RL and like takin the had ov king (Neshama)
and puting it in a toilet boel RL
Mutch more so vialating halacha in puplic With out Shame
And Cousing other yiden to sin RL And pleaeeeese use your Chabad Wisdom And open your Eyes To The Goodnes And Kindnes ov Tznius try it you love it Taami iraee ki yov hashem injoy !!!
You’re 100% right. The fact that the clothes add to kedusha does indeed matter very much. What I meant to say is that the clothes are not the center of attention anymore, and the main point is a)the neshoma and b)the kedusha of the tzniusdike clothes. Thank you for clarifying!! 🙂 A problem I have seen is that while I personally can accept the fact that we dress tznius in order to carry out Hashem’s Will, it seems like there are some girls for whom “that’s not enough of a reason”. They are looking for what’s in it for them,… Read more »
From first hand experience this is the problem. The Y”H is a smart guy. says common you can give in little here and a lil there and before you know it, your only wearing a little here and a little there hanging out in the wrong places with the wrong people and bang! another one bites the dust! sounds crazy I know.
“When a Jewish girl dresses in a tzniusdike manner, the clothes don’t matter anymore” Physical possessions can be used to make a dwelling place for Hashem in the world. Clothes when tznius add to holiness in the world and in that respect they do matter. What matters is if a person dresses tznius and respectable. The problem with tznius is that those who dress tznius only look at the clothing at those not dressed tznius and do not look at thier essence and special qualities and accept them for who they are. People are supposed to dress tznius not to… Read more »
please make it avail online!
Where in Tanya does it say anything about jeans? People like you who don’t think before they harangue others make Lubavitch teens nauseous and cause them not to care about tznius. Either get with it or change your approach, because your spewing thoughtless insults will not save Lubavitch.
plaese lern tanya from perek 1 till perek 53 it will make you noaseous from unznius and plaese stop makin the rebbe so nauseous Ad Musei do we havw wait
(Yawn!) It’s so silly to have an argument online where everyone has access to Google. Here’s a picture of Prince Harry wearing jeans. http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/prince-harry-400ds0808.jpg If the president of the United States can wear jeans and members of the royal family can wear jeans, you are kidding yourself to say that it’s not acceptable fashion for dignified people. It would be one thing if you made excuses to ban jeans because they are too casual or too cool for Chassidim. But if you considers jeans unclassy or unfit for royalty, you literally have your mindset stuck in another century. I think… Read more »
What stopped me (woman) from wearing jeans was the idea that I don’t want MY teenage BOYS wearing them.
I didn’t hear the shiur, but I want to try to answer your question. I don’t know how much my answers would convince a girl who is, at this point, a little less interested in tznius, but here are some of the reasons that worked for me: First of all, we follow tznius because, simply, it’s halacha. Even if it doesn’t make sense to us, we do it out of kabbbolas ol. We want to follow the mitzvos of Hashem, and as chassidim, we want to do what the Rebbe instructed. I may not get the point of it, but… Read more »
I totaly agree with you , your right!!!!
thank you Rabbi Ganz for this Shuir
speaking from the point of view as a teenager who struggles with tznius, having mandatory tznius shiurim wont change ANYTHING!!!! is that so hard to understand?!?! and especially when it comes from a man who doesnt even understand the challenge of being tznius, it really doesnt help. The change will come from women and girls themselves, not from anyone lecturing them or talking to them. i mean am i the only one who gets that??? do ppl not see it?
Your comment addresses a number of points, but I would like to answer the main one. You write: “The lubavitch approach to tznius, or so i thought till now, was that we should be dressed stylish, and modest together, that it’s important to look good, in a way that befits a bas melech” The problem with that sentence is the word “stylish” which has two different definitions in the dictionary. *The first*: being in the latest or current fashion, fashionable, and attracting attention, being or in accordance with current social fashions; trendy, dashing – or in our words something we… Read more »
will someone please tell me which perek in tanya talks about tznius? im very interested in learning it…
he actually proooves the oposite of your point
see any true royal family
whos not in politics
they dont try to impress farmers and make the farmer feel a kin
I wasn’t saying that Bush is making a fashion statement. I’m pointing out that world leaders today wear jeans and an argument that it’s not kavodik for a bas melech to wear jeans is antediluvian and obsolete. Most world leaders today, including princes and princesses, would wear jeans when they’re taking it easy or even when they’re going out at night. Why do our notions of what is fit for malchus come from the 1700’s? And why is it more acceptable to wear wishy washy skirt suits which bnei malchus would never dream of wearing? It seems like the powers… Read more »
at least i wont feel shame for them, if they dress respectfully
Honestly, did you go, or even watch it online? Every single one of your statements is the opposite of the truth. There is nothing untzniusdik about a man teacing women. How many men teachers are there in high schools and seminaries? and teaching things related to or even more… – and they are done in a tzniusdik ofen. Sometimes the best teacher for this subject is davka a man, because first of all, as a rabbi, he knows what he is saying, and can be trusted (and no, i am not implying that women cant be trusted here, only that… Read more »
I don’t think long jean skirts that come down to the floor are against Halacha,
I think they look absolutely horrid.
what’s wrong with wearing a skirt that reaches the ankles?
is that considered too nerdy for Crown Heightsers?
Bush is far from classy.
I think that picture looks retarded.
one person’s opinion anyway
Long Sheitelach like i see in ch ARE A PROBLEM its complitly not tzniusdik
When i walk in ch i mamesh cant stand the girls and MOTHERS walking with skirts like look like MINI SKIRTS it gets me so angry, thats why i left brhs and ch in general….
Thank you for all you’ve done. We hope you are not being discouraged by all the foolishness people are posting. Only as a group can we stand strong and we need you badly. It’s hard to do it on our own. Will there be follow up? Can we have more lectures like this? What about our elementary age children can we have gatherings for them too? How about setting up groups where the older girls (seminary, 12th graders or young mothers) become like counselors where the girls learn about tznius and have fun together. how can we get in touch… Read more »
The most untzniusdike thing about tznius is to have a MAN discuss Tznius with woman. With so many educated woman we don’t need and the Rebbe did not want men to do it. Avraham Megayer es hoanshim; vSara Megayers es hoanoshim. Tznius and dressing like a Bas melech don’t go together. If you dress tzniusdig but you dont want to dress classy is not an avaira. Jeans is only a problem if it looks like pants because women should not be wearing pants. but if it is a regular skirt not shaped like pants, sorry Rabbi Gans you don’t have… Read more »
Other schools were part as heard from them
Several years ago I waspresentat at a Shabbos meal where one of the popular woman educators of a Bais Rivka was hostess. I was shocked when this “educator” began singing nigunim and explaining herself that “there was no problem” singing chassidisher nigunim even in the presence of men. I can only imagine the ripple effect this approach has on the many girls in the mossad. This was several years ago and I hope things have changed although I don’t know for sure. Pehaps problems exist from the “educators” with the effects being felt by the students.I
R long jenas skirts to the floor ok? Obviously the skirts that come 2 inches above ur knee when you stnad and 3 inches above when u sit, are NOT ok! but if it is long what is assur about it? is it halacha that its not allowed?
In olden times, women stayed at home – that was the best tznius of all. Time to get back to that!
Will Some one Give out Some tanyas in CH The tanya explains evrything in a very nice Way With Some Chabad Wisdom and Some Ahava V yirya ….. Lalter Lthuuva lalter legeula
to number 13: YOU HAVE SOME CHUTZPAH TO TALK ABOUT A RABBI LIKE THAT, OR ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. LOOK YOUR OWN FATHER IN THE EYE OR HUSBAND IF YOUR MARRIED AND TELL HIM TO GET A LIFE.
THATS THE POINT OF TZNIUS- FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
i am on the fence not bc i dont wish to dress tznius, i would but seeing the trend shift makes it soo much easier
If the jeans and denim skirts were the main problem…it would be a good thing…
please….there is way more serious things then that…..look around!
if yoe lern tanya you get nauseous from unznius I herd the reebe got nauseous from it please stop making the rebbi
nauseous RL Moshiach now
if the problem was just denim skirts that reach to the middle of the knee, it wouldnt be a problem…its the micro mini skirts with the slits, and the short sleeved scooped neck shirts, with the hair covering starting half way down the head, that I saw a sanzer einikel wearing at empire kosher, without shame last week that is the problem!
if she or anyone like her choose to dress that way..why do it in kan tziva?
i need answers and i dont know them
I was not able to listen to the shuir live. Could you please post it so that we can listen after the fact. It would be much appreciated.
BTW, I tried to log in(and had my own technical issues) and called the phone number. He was very helpful and I was amazed to hear them say over 1,000 were logged in and listening. That proves that people are interested and open to making changes in their lives! Yasher Koach!
Thank you for your efforts.
i think if you are going to talk to someone who know less in tznius, (a TEENSY bit over the knee, a inch under the collarbone etc.) first take a look on todays hayom yom. vehamevin yavin
These comments are just fantastic. Here are two of my favorite quotes:
“Jeans are for goyim. end of story. ” You could actually argue that jeans are more Jewish than Kapotas, since Jeans were invented by a Jew, while the kapota design comes from the European courts (kapotas are called “Prince Alberts,” not “Rabbi Garfinkles”).
“provaitvie poots.” Not really a quote, but great just the same!
Please, please if you have a long comment, please use PARAGRAPHS.
This means, after two or three sentences, you press the enter key, and then continue your comment on the next paragraph.
This way, its much easier reading, and I guarantee you more people will read your comment.
Could someone please help me understand here, I thought I got it, I walked away from the shiur impressed, but now I realized that I’m just confused. The lubavitch approach to tznius, or so i thought till now, was that we should be dressed stylish, and modest together, that it’s important to look good, in a way that befits a bas melech. ok, so that’s what ive been going for. In my circle I’m considered more tznius than some of my friends, maybe not as trendy, but that never bothered me cuz i thought i was going for what true… Read more »
why does col live post nasty comments? why not discard them like you should?
Jeans are far from being unclassy. Where have you been for the past 50 years? Obviously not in Soho.
Here’s a picture of George W. Bush, former leader of the free world, wearing jeans.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Lifeandhealth/Pix/pictures/2009/1/13/1231842830646/Gallery-Pockets-George-Bu-007.jpg
That people assume girls are untznius because they don’t know that they’re supposed to be tznius says one of two things about the state of Crown Heights awareness: 1. That most girls in Crown Heights lack the intellectual capacity to figure out what has been surrounding them all their lives. or 2. The people who insist that these girls just don’t know are themselves blissfully unaware that every girl in Lubavitch schools was taught tznius by communal example and by lectures. I propose that number 2 is correct and that those people’s cognitive dissonance is, at least in part, motivated… Read more »
The shiur was really amazing, very different from what Lubavitchers are used to hearing, but it’s about time someone had the guts to tell it to us how it really is. The only difficulty i had with it is that it was hard to hear since the microphone was kinda low. That combined with keeping the AC off since it made too much noise meant it was like being in a hot classroom, where its just hard to concentrate since heat makes you sleepy. But for those of us who tried, it was possible to hear, maybe not every word,… Read more »
the people posting negative remarks are simply feeling out of it. they know what’s right and wrong and how wrong it is to wear a jeans, or any skirt for that matter, in the middle of the knee, they just cant admit it. ad mosai?? it was an amazing speech. may we all learn from it and bring it into our lives, and make the rebbe proud of his children
Can someone please explain in the most easiest to swallow way, WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO BE TZNIUSDIK, WHY? AND WHY SHOULD ONE DO IT? AND THE ANSWER SHOULD BE BEAUTYFUL ENOUGH FOR THE PERSON READING THIS TO BE ‘TURNED ON’ TO ‘WANT TO’ DO IT!!! i WANT MY WHOLE CLASS OF TEENAGE GIRLS TO HEAR THE ANSWER FROM YOU GUYAS, EXPLAINING WHAT YOU HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD SINCE I DIDNT HEAR THE SPEAKER AND WANT THEM TO HEAR IT FROM YOU GIRLS. most importantly to explain in simple english to ‘rebeleous teenage girls that couldnt care less” something that… Read more »
rabbi ganz is a good guy!
My daughter went to the shiur but couldn’t concentrate on it because of all the girls around her who were talking. Tznius isn’t just dress.
It should be as much of a sin to spell like that!!
that speaker was so boring!!! Everybody was like falling to sleep!
please dont blame it on the schools. its a girls parents job to teach her the rights andd wrongs.
Rabbi Gancz spoke to the point and very well. (#13 your remarks are totally unfounded and not necessary). I just felt that since BRHS had to attend, they should have used Oholei Menachem as there was not enough room and then the other schools would have also been able and felt comfortable to attend. It’s ashame that we can’t have achdus amongst all the girls schools in CH. It’s important for them to hear the message also! After all they are Yiddim too! As the message of Shavous brings: K’ish echad b’lev echad…
But I am assuming that jeans were spoken about.
Jeans are for goyim. end of story.
You would not find the queen of England wearing jeans.
Normal classy people do not wear them. If you still don’t understand, then you probally need a mashpia to explain it to you.
Good for you!!!!
Perhaps we should explain to people how their children are affected by the way their parents are dressed.
When a person is not modest he is also lax in other areas of Yidishkeit. I have yet to find an Imodest mother whose children are G-D fearing Jews.Tznius is the basis for a Chassidishe healthy children, and we all want that so let’s do it for our children.
This is the reason why it got so bad. BECAUSE GIRLS DO NOT KNOW WHY IT IS SO BAD TO WEAR A SKIRT THAT IS IN MIDDLE OF THE KNEE! I am not saying it is your fault that you do not realize the severity of wearing such a garment. I really think that the Mosdos in girls schools should teach the girls WHY WHY WHY it is so bad! The true, down pat facts of how a mans yeitzer harah works!I am a senior and only until about a few months ago when i learnt certain parts of tanya… Read more »
the same is too lether jakets long hear and provaitvie poots
thats the diseas that w e face
blive it or not
The problems in crown heights are unfortunately because of people like you – I hope one day you will give nachas to the Rebbe and do what a true yiddishe girl/woman is supposed to do. ( like it state in our torah)
you will not see frum yiddin wearing that in other places so why do you think its ok hear
I enjoyed it a lot!
good going col
This is fantabulous! Thank you! So true what the Rav is saying about women not behaving in a classy way…we can do it ladies…:)
he should focus on his paid job – getting and keeping bochrim in yeshiva.
or maybe he’s trying to get a new job, since he didn’t do so well in his old (current) one.
i dont think the tznius in crown heights is bad
at all i think evryone over exagerates if a girl wears a jean
skirt thats inmiddle of the knee is not bad!!!!!!!!!!
LIMUD HATORAH IS THE IKKUR.
good thing col keep streaming torah toda
thanks 4 sharing
”maybe you should talk to your computer
and comfort it b/c that might actually work”!!!!!!!!!!!!
we rock!!!!!!!!!!!! wow ilove this guy
i mean he talks the truth bais rivka is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i clicked on the watch live and it didnt work! idk how to make it work. any suggestions?
The streaming video is great with no delays. Good job Innovision & COL.
I have a Dell – working smooth
Thank you collive
its not working on my computer. Mac Book
this rabbi talks to the point… he is not the extremist everyone said he is…
we are out of crown heights and are enjoying the shiur
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