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When Was Your First Fight?

Rabbi Pinney Herman, former Shliach and now a marriage educator, responds to 2 recent articles on COLlive.com about divorce during the first year of marriage. Full Story

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Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 17, 2024 9:46 pm

For someone who is married several years and feels jealous or triggered as if they missed out in life because they never experienced a blissful honeymoon stage and they want to , what advise would you give?

consideration
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 17, 2024 10:06 pm

perhaps to be happy that your married. there are those who didn’t reach even that stage yet

It’s never too late
Reply to  consideration
November 18, 2024 1:15 am

Start now .. go back to that time if possible let judgments melt away for both of you .. forgive yourself and your spouse … date like ur teenagers and start ur honeymoon moon period of life

Is this misplaced entitlement?
Reply to  consideration
November 18, 2024 8:00 am

Is it ideal to look at others’ misfortune for self sooth? Not sure.
There will always be people worse or better off (have more or less) than you. Perhaps realise that other people’s lives should not be your barometer for what you should/shouldn’t have had. Who defines marital bliss…? There is no time like the present. Why not create your version of blissfulness moving forward

advice
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 17, 2024 10:49 pm

I can only imagine how triggering it is. Know that you are not alone. Not everyone clicks immediately and experiences it right away. For many reasons, people can get married and head straight into real life and never really have that. In addition, sometimes couples have very different expectations and communication styles can differ too. I know, however, that knowing you are not the only one doesn’t solve your problem. I am of the opinion that it is never too late. Think about Rabbi Akiva starting to learn aleph bet at age forty and turning into one of the leading… Read more »

It’s a Brochah!
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 17, 2024 11:15 pm

It’s a Brocha “in disguise!”
The honeymoon stage isn’t the real deal. Couples who don’t have this stage are forced to focus and work on the important aspects of a relationship sooner The honeymoon is fun, but purely superficial. Nothing beats authentic love, which takes work.

This might not help but similar situation
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 17, 2024 11:35 pm

As an older single: For someone who counted on a guy to make the move and kept on being ghosted, I lost a lot of years… For someone that keeps being told “I’m not going to get married” after refusing guys because these kinds of guys will do as point A guy did, its triggers For someone that watches married couples smiling, joking and has kids even if it’s fake yet they due it WITH the intention to make be feel jealous that I should have a fake life as them, it triggers…. And thus I refuse to marry just… Read more »

Happily married
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 18, 2024 1:13 am

Realize that people on the street don’t have those marriages you are jealous of. If they do, many of them went through the same thing as you. Being jealous or triggered creates resentment towards your spouse – and it is impossible for you to reach a mature relationship with that jealousy (whether you are in the right or wrong is irrelevant). One of the most important rules of marriage is to realize that your spouse thinks differently than you and approaches life differently than you. You cannot be happy until you realize and accept that. I.e. a husband who is… Read more »

I had the same issue years ago
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 18, 2024 9:00 am

Find small ways to “honeymoon” go out once a week with your spouse. Take a stay cation. Once you properly learn to cultivate your relationship with your spouse into a loving relationship , you will learn to appreciate that you “didn’t miss out” until then it might be an uphill challenge. I trust the 2 of you will weather the storm and work on yourselves so you van grow together inti an amazing couple

appearances are deceiving
Reply to  Speaking for someone who never experienced
November 18, 2024 10:30 am

For those who flaunt the “honeymoon” stage ie on social media, it tends not to be real. Just like a filter, it’s hiding more. I know many couples who had a honeymoon marriage that I envied are no longer married. The more perfect the picture the grander the show and the more flaws that need to be hidden. I was taught that dating is like when Yaacov worked hard for 7 years to get a Rochel, but when he married he wound up to his surprise with a Leah. The first 7 years of marriage are the hardest. The dating… Read more »

anonymous
November 17, 2024 10:05 pm

how about when others get involved think
ing they are helping,instead they end up destroying?

🤔 hmmm
Reply to  anonymous
November 17, 2024 10:53 pm

Or those that don’t get involved, and end up destroying?

I wish I would have divorced during the first year
November 17, 2024 11:39 pm

I divorced my ex after 6 years of marriage. The truth is that there were signs from our dating, and our engagement, that this was a match made in hell. But trying to be a good chossid, I remained calm and overlooked these character differences. I spoke to mashpi’im who guided me. It was all a colossal mistake. It would have been much better if I hadn’t overlooked these differences and cut my losses much earlier. B”H I remarried and have been very happily married for almost 15 years. I would suggest to all those dating not to overlook what… Read more »

Is there any way to contact you?
Reply to  I wish I would have divorced during the first year
November 18, 2024 10:36 am

Would love to pick your brain.

Let’s figure out a way
Reply to  Is there any way to contact you?
November 18, 2024 3:41 pm

Yeah, I’d be happy to. I’ll set up an email and let you know in a comment here

I believe
November 17, 2024 11:56 pm

There are many couples who go through times where they don’t think they’ll make it through but in the end they all do. I believe most people,even those that don’t have the strongest character or resilience pull it through because divorce doesn’t happen overnight and it is the hard way out in every respect,not the easy way out as many falsely believe. So I try not to judge those who are divorced because I believe it’s more often than not the hardest choice to make in extreme circumstances.

So impressed...
November 18, 2024 2:22 am

These are such helpful points, and so well written; I would love to hear Rabbi Herman speak!

Her Man
November 18, 2024 6:37 am

Yasher koach r’ pinny for a very good
And clear article which can certainly help many.

Excellent article
November 18, 2024 7:19 am

Fantastic
Well explained

This was when my flight happened...
November 18, 2024 9:05 am

I was home. Fridge was empty. I was starving. Didn’t have anything to fight about. But I didn’t want to do what my father did. So I started a fight and right away I called my father and I got good food. The Chinese restaurant was amazing. Honestly 5 stars.

Which restaurant?
Reply to  This was when my flight happened...
November 18, 2024 7:07 pm

I’m trying to find a good place to eat on a date. Between my spouse’s birthday and our anniversary it’s good to know

Lonely in company
November 18, 2024 9:53 am

If there is little understanding and communication is difficult then one can feel
married and sometimes lonely. Marriage theray or seeing a good mashpia is so important – every now and then, to check in

Beautiful
November 18, 2024 10:25 am

Great article. Thank you

Beautiful!
November 18, 2024 10:29 am

Thank you for this important perspective.

Grateful we left
November 18, 2024 11:30 am

We have been married almost 61 years. We we not frum ( yet) and married at 16 and 20. We fought for years about everything and nothing but we stuck it out. Young as we were, we made our marriage as a business and took ourselves out of the equation. I gave 100% to our business and my husband gave 100%. We never had to worry about we were getting because we both got 100% and still do. Laugh at each other and ourselves and forget the kids sometimes. You were a couple before they arrived and remember they will… Read more »

Yasher koyach!
November 18, 2024 11:47 am

Rabbi Pinny and Helena are an amazing couple who have guided many people in improving their relationships, as well as worked with couples in distress. Their workshops at Chabad Houses are very popular. The Chabad community is very fortunate to have them available for support.

Regarding Imago
November 18, 2024 12:50 pm

I am married 20 plus years.. In the beginning of our marriage i did so much therapy..we went to shmuel stauber too in his office he taught us imago too, how to mirror each other. We even had a day or 2 worshop for couples with him in Monsey.. We went to daniel schonbuch, manis friedman one session and more.. Some husbands are too involved in their business to think about working on respecting their wives or even spending some times with their children at night it is the way they were brought up in their homes also, father was… Read more »

Great article
November 18, 2024 1:37 pm

Very encouraging to read a positive article about marriage, and at the same time the author puts his hands up and openly says

“My remarks are not intended for couples dealing with diagnosed personality disorders or mental illness. Such situations require assistance from knowledgeable professionals. Furthermore, just because a spouse googles “Borderline” or “mental illness” and sees similarities with their spouse does not mean the spouse has this disorder”

Mashpieim, Therapists and all professionals in this field should know when to say this is too big for them!

something thats really annoying and
November 20, 2024 4:50 pm

a way too frequent but really offensive thing some people do is tell people, even strangers or distant connections, that they should go to therapy or take medication. as if that person hasn’t already tried both of that. as if that even actually works. so rude offensive and obnoxious of people to tell people that in most situations.

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