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Response to op-ed chastising "Chabad Lite": Had your article been written 20 years ago, my family would not have had the chance to become frum. Full Story

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Everybody should fix themeselves...thats tachlis
September 21, 2012 3:26 pm

Stop preaching to others and be an example. In the end you have to ask yourself am i moving up the ladder or down..? There are always Olim Ve’Yordim Bo !! The Jewish people have a long history of self criticism so for us its easy. There are those who cannot look in the mirror at thier own faults which is why there are riots around the world because they cant take any criticism. We should accept the musar, as the Rebbe says if the hat fits, etc, but if you cant, then just ignore it–those who get it will… Read more »

Yep, totally irrelevant
November 20, 2011 10:58 am

Author, please re-read the original article. The poster was referring to Lubavitchers who grew up to know better and have chosen to do otherwise. Do not confuse the issue and the discussion by taking it in such a different direction.

chabadLite rocks
November 12, 2011 8:19 pm

The author expresses the overall sentiment very well and very truthful. It is 100% correct thinking. The ones answering or posting in the negative have alot to correct in themselves before they can even attempt to understand the whole picture.
Thanks for posting this Col live.

chabad lite? oy vey!!
November 12, 2011 7:48 pm

i agree with 10. i came here close to 40 years ago . if i would have seen what there is today with all these people who were born frum and become less I WOULD NOT HAVE BECOME FRUM!!!! WHEN I CAME HERE I SAW UNCOMPROMISING EMES AND THIS IS WHAT I WANTED FOR MYSELF AND MY FUTURE CHILDREN!! not what we see today no way!!

A bochur
November 11, 2011 3:17 pm

We have to be the real chassidim, who cares who’s Lubavitcher or who isn’t. Work on your own avodas hashem and who’s a Lubavitcher won’t matter.

when in rome...
November 10, 2011 5:33 pm

do as the majority does. but what does the majority think?

Solution
November 10, 2011 10:52 am

People are doing what seems good in their own eyes. It would help a lot if we had a unified bais din. How about a day of fasting and tefillah that H_m bentch us with a unified beis din and kehilla?

missing the point
November 9, 2011 8:18 pm

I totally agree with all those who state that this author is completely missing the point! Did she read the original article properly or just get the wrong end of the stick and start this tirade without thought? The original article, like so many other posters have explained, is about FFBs going down levels of observance. Nothing was mentioned about people becoming BT and not being ready to grow a beard, put on a sheitel, etc. As far as I could see, the main point of the other article was how these downwards stepping FFBs are affecting our children in… Read more »

38 , 7 & 143
November 9, 2011 3:51 pm

When you see parents bringing their children to school (with touched beards etc), how can you tell if they are going up or down?

Chabad Lite - No way!!
November 9, 2011 11:52 am

The concept of Chabad lite should not exist because it doesnt make sense! It is like Chabad lite is saying they deny the Torah instead the group should be – Its hard for us to keep everything but we are trying. After all everyone has their struggles. We are all chabad – One big group with Nesii Doreinu our Rebbe. Let us all remeber to only have Ahavas yisroel and in this zchus and in the zchus of everyones Doing their best we should be zoche to \bias hamoshiach bekorov Mamosh

A middle ground solution is definitely it great need
November 9, 2011 9:22 am

Nether article (“Chabad Lite or its response) is fully right or fully wrong. Each article brings up some valid points. The point in the “Chabad Lite” article that couples who have basically set their living standards considerably lower then the Chabad general standard the Rebbe created, and these couples don’t seem to be moving slowly upward. To the contrary it looks like they are comfortable with the standard they have found. This is a problem that I think even the “response article” would agree with. However, the notion of chasing away someone from Chabad is also not correct as a… Read more »

I know this is long but i jfelt that i ust HAD to quote the Tanya
November 9, 2011 2:55 am

“But as to one who is not his companion — his equal — in the Torah and the mitzvot, so that even his deliberate transgressions are regarded as inadvertent acts, since he is unaware of the gravity of sin; nor is he on intimate terms with him; — not only is one not enjoined to hate him: on the contrary, he must in fact, strive to become closer to him, as the Alter Rebbe states shortly. To hate such a sinner is surely unjustifiable, since no sin that he commits is considered deliberate. There is also no reason to keep… Read more »

JS comments on Chabad Lite discussion
November 9, 2011 12:43 am

Chabad has become an inclusive big tent of differing levels of Chabad identity and practice. To exclude anyone would be a serious error. It is better to have a “Chabad Lite” person in Chabad – not outside of Chadad. We dedicate much effort to bringing someone who is not frum closer to frumkite. We should dedicate equal effort to bringing a “Chabad Lite” person closer to the traditional Chabad norm. Inreach is as important today as outreach. Also, the “Chabad Lite” writer is expressing a common but misplaced fear. Contact with someone Chabad Lite, who is not as Chabad norn… Read more »

Who is right?
November 8, 2011 10:57 pm

#7 and #38 are very right!

Farmer?
November 8, 2011 8:58 pm

What does a farmer have to do with this? Can you explain?

be careful
November 8, 2011 7:12 pm

Just remember when the wind blows it it blows on all. No discrimination. I love all my children ,not frum, modern Chabad, and shluchim. Even my non frum child wants to marry a lubavitcher surprise surprise!!! A little patients and a lot of love and acceptance will bring our children home!!!

Let's get practical
November 8, 2011 6:30 pm

We need practical solutions. This is not a direct response to either article, but maybe it’ll help somehow: 1) Too many recent graduates of Beth Rivkah think that getting their diploma means that they passed their gemers and now they’re pretty much finished learning Torah. Some of the young men, washed away by the Mayim Rabbim of earning parnassa, etc., have stopped “drowning in Chassidus” as they used to do in yeshiva days. Where are the shiurim for the young women? Most don’t want to come to shiurim with bubbies of any background! Where are the farbrengens for Chabad LIte… Read more »

Kan Tziva Hashem Es Habrocha
November 8, 2011 6:06 pm

Although we are ffb, and we try to instill chassidishe,yiddishe values into our children. we cannot compete with the negative influences our children are receiving in our yeshivas. When I talk to my daughter about tznius and how in our home halacha must be followed, she says so why are we living in CH. You should have raised me in Boro Park or Williamsburg if you want me to dress khalacha. I live in CH and I want to look like everybody else. The Rebbe told us to live in Crown Heights. I am at the point where I feel… Read more »

following up on 128
November 8, 2011 1:27 pm

BS”D

Wao Amazing this! click on the link, and those of you that claim to be a chossid may discover themselves… because theres no point in being a chosid if youre not a chosid of the Rebbe…a rebbe-less chossid is not a chosid…click to chap

http://a-farbrengen.blogspot.com/2010/06/requirements-for-identifying-as-chossid.html

to clarify
November 8, 2011 11:42 am

there are 2 types of chabad lite, the ones who were burned by the “system” and deserve our ahavas yisroel, and we MUST change the system not to hurt people. then there are those who are baalei taiva. i believe the first article is directed to them. correct me if i’m wrong.

PENDULUM SWING
November 8, 2011 9:59 am

People need to vent ….

I believe the main point for all yddishkeit these days (chevlay mashicah) is at any given moment all of us are taking steps up and back, ebbing and flowing in our avoda much like a pendulum. Inevitably we all meet at 12 o’clock for at least a split second, even though our appearances may indicate otherwise …

PS. I wonder what the author’s feelings will be when she I’Y’H gets married and has children of her own.

Thank you.

High five to G-d, my main squeeze and confidant.

Proud to call the author of this article a Chosid of the Rebbe
November 8, 2011 6:55 am

BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN!
Out of all the articles written on all the websites about being a Chosid – THIS ONE MAKES ME PROUD.
You have your head on straight and it is a pleasure to know that there are people like you within Lubavitch that are really a reflection of the Rebbe’s actual derech.
Thank you!

Please!
November 8, 2011 4:44 am

this is a necessary and at times a painful debate! for it to be an affective debate (conversation) remove the PERSONAL bias, ego etc.. it will then become a (macloikess) “lishem shomayim” and will be affective.

Well written
November 8, 2011 2:53 am

Terrific article! You write with insight.
A Shlucha

PLEASE READ THIS
November 7, 2011 11:49 pm

AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE AND ANYONE ELSE: The issue here is not about ppl judging others, or deciding wether they can be part of our “lubavitch elitist club”, or pointing fingers, or being geshe. You’re right. It is disgusting to judge, and to turn your nose down and to decide that ppl with TVs are evil. But let us just be honest. We are talking the bigger picture. We are talking not about one, two, or ten troubled souls in crown heights, and wether or not we should accept them. We are talking about a group of ppl, large enough… Read more »

ZERO TOLERANCE
November 7, 2011 10:02 pm

FOR THOSE DELIBERATELY IGNORING THE REBBES REQUESTS!
NO! THEY DO NOT DESERVE THE TITLE ‘CHASSID’! WHEN THEY DISRESPECT CHASSIDUS!
THEY ARE A SHAME TO THE REBBE- AND THEY LACK THE AHAVAS YISROEL THEY ARE BEGGING US TO HAVE FOR THEM-BY THE WAY THEY POLLUTE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD!
DONT EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE REBBE WOULD ACCEPT THESE DEPRAVED LIFESTYLES

Very well written
November 7, 2011 9:45 pm

It’s scary to still see people who are so close minded. They should go out the other community around the states and around the world and they’ll see judgmental they will be. Obviously these people live in a very frum community and don’t know ANYTHING about Shlichus and its challenges.

to #100
November 7, 2011 9:19 pm

even the stores in bp know when a lubavitcher walks in to buy toys, clothing or accessories for their children it should not have non kosher animals on it…the last time i checked a dog is not a kosher animal.
Secondly, when one touches an animal he is tumadik…how can you daven/learn/make a bracha when you’ve got a dog around (the way ppl treat their dogs today, lehadil like children, you know take into account e. time you touch the dog…)

relevant articles
November 7, 2011 8:36 pm

for what the Rebbeim say about the standards expected of Chabad Chassidim, see here: http://a-farbrengen.blogspot.com/search/label/what%20is%20a%20chossid

sadly
November 7, 2011 8:33 pm

if the rebbe were alive there would be none of this issue. the rebbe would stamp out this whorish trend.

this should be proof to meshichists to light yarzeit candles on 3 tammuz.

Satmar from BP
November 7, 2011 8:30 pm

I work with a satmar in Boro Park. he told me crown heights is neither the crown nor the heights of tznius. he is absolutely right. those of u defending the erva and sinful attire in the holy shchuna are fooling yourselves. nowhere in halacha does it say to tolerate a sin. rather the beiur halacha the chofetz chaim writes that one MUST rebuke a wrongdoer, and if they continue to go their evil ways you must fight them by ANY MEANS. those of u who would say that this means that im saying to hate the person and the… Read more »

Confused
November 7, 2011 8:21 pm

It’s all about if your are coming closer to Yiddishkeit and you want for your children the same or Ch”V the opposite. What I’m failing to understand is why one side permitted to leave the mainstream, make their own separate shuls and programs and sometimes brake up a community and no one screams “Where’s the Ahavas Yisrael?”. When the other side, tries to protect everything that Chabad and Chassidishkeit represents, they are called all sorts of names and labled with a major lack of Ahavas Yisrael. It sort of reminds me of the right and left wing in Israel. The… Read more »

Ill write it just for the fun of it
November 7, 2011 8:16 pm

I know its stupid. but i noticed that the attacks to the previous article were mostly based on emotions with sentences like :”Coward! why do YOU remain Anonymus! are you scared??”…interestingly enough, over here people answer with content…..i dont know if this is food for thought but maybe gas for the car

P:D Hashem, we only want moshiach. we want Your Kingdom to be revealed to us with our Rebbe in it…stop it already!

on the way down
November 7, 2011 7:54 pm

so many of you are saying that these “FFB” turned lite and “going down.” as if you know where they’re holding! who asked you to judge

FFB
November 7, 2011 7:17 pm

” people who grew up frum” (from comment #10) People grow up in homes that are frum but nobody is frum from birth. Being frum implies that a person has yiras Shomoyim-this is obtained through learning Torah, especially chasiddus.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
November 7, 2011 7:10 pm

Chabad / Lubavitch is not something you can obtain by birthright. It is a way of life, with rules and codes established by our rabbeim.

If it’s not for you, that’s OK. G-d gave us free choice.

If people want to act fray and be fray, thats OK! Its a free world!

We still love you like we love all Jews, even if they are not frum.

But don’t call yourseld Chabad or Lubavitch.

it is simply unethical, and confusing to our children.

BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN
November 7, 2011 7:10 pm

AS A LUBAVITCHER MYSELF, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I PREFER MINGLING WITH BAALEI TESHUVAH RATHER THAN THE FRUM FROM BIRTH (GESHE) LUBAVITCHERS. i RECALL A FATHER ONCE LAMENTING TO THE REBBE THAT HIS DAUGHTER WANTED TO MARRY A B T. AND THE FATHER DID NOT THINK THE BOY WORTHY OF A GIRL WITH HER “YICHUS”. AND THE REBBE REPLIED, AND I QUESTION WHETHER SHE IS WORTHY OF HIM!…. THAT BEING SAID, I DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE REFERRED TO HERE, BUT CAN TELL YOU ONE THING. THE MAJORITY- IF NOT ALL OF THE WOMEN WHO DRESS SHOCKINGLY IMMODEST ARE UNFORTUNATELY… Read more »

grow up people!
November 7, 2011 6:51 pm

Lubavitch light is not frum and you are talking about their title.
No shulchan oruch ! Its busha ve herpa and not what to call it.

Wow!
November 7, 2011 6:12 pm

BS”D
Amazingly written, thanks for your insight.
Both articles have a point and i see in the end of your statement you find a good middle ground

From commenter #151 on the original article
November 7, 2011 5:45 pm

Time for solutions. Say something, for who should? Teach Humility! Teach Emunah (al pi hapirush b’Tanya etc)! These children (most often not the children of shluchim) are lacking in Anava, while shluchim’s children grow up with their parents breathing Anava. No one who has the very basic human trait of humility could walk around in stark contrast to their surroundings, for their own selfish purposes. No one who has humility can walk around like they are better than everyone else (this goes for frummies too). No one who has a shred of humility would EVER walk around showing themselves off… Read more »

#96 Way to go!!
November 7, 2011 4:29 pm

I agree 100% with you!

To all those criticizing the author:
November 7, 2011 3:56 pm

Stop Judging each other it seems to me that all those who crticize the author and/or think they are perfect chassidim forgot about the Yom Yom that states that whatever fault you see in another Jew is a mirror unto yourself. Or about what the baal shem tov said when he stated that Masiach will come when the frum Jews a.k.a Holier then thou because Hashem gave me a smaller yetzer hara then you Jews do teshuva 🙂
Maybe they forgot to read that part….

huh?
November 7, 2011 3:49 pm

a poster ad for Aish – why do you insist on ridiculing anything non-Chabad? what is wrong with you? the Rebbe would definitely reprimand the chutzpah exhibited in such a statement!

Hey!
November 7, 2011 3:38 pm

1.every person has their nisayon, for A it may be to dress tzniusdikly, for B it may be to appreciateA’s good points, and for C it may be not to look.
2. The flaw you see in someone else is somewhere in you!
3. Condemn the action not the person
4. Create positive programs to encourage everyone to strive higher

All the bickering is irrelevent
November 7, 2011 3:23 pm

clearly a Lubavitch community must have High Chassidic standards, as wrote the first article. Clearly we must love and be Mekareiv all Jews whether they are going up or going down.
The simple inevitable solution:
Those which cannot keep to traditional Chabad standard are not to have their kids accepted to the standard Chabad Yeshivas or girls school. At the same time we must be Mekareiv them as much as possible.
The answers lie in the Mosdos Chinuch. Thye have the ability to effect the change and only them.

In Response
November 7, 2011 3:15 pm

Imagine how a shliach / shlucha feels when he / she brings someone to Crown Heihgts and they see the women dressed in mini skirts,leggings etc.The shame and embarrasment they must feel. Imagine when someone from Flatbush Boro Park tell you that they can spot a C H girl when they see them. Imagine the bochurim walking in C H , what an eyeful they get and the impure thoughts they have.Imagine going to a simcha and seeing “half dressed” women. You missed the point of the article. It’s not about B T or FFB. They should be asking themselves… Read more »

Not so simple
November 7, 2011 3:10 pm

I agree with # 86 and #101, that it’s not such a guarantee that people will become chassidish just because they were born into a particular family or went to a particular school. I think that if half of the kids are being reached successfully, then the system needs re-working. It’s not just rebellion, it’s also apathy. We need more programs, mashpiim and INreach- let’s have shluchim in every city work to mekareve their own frum community. It is needed, and has been discussed for years, with little action. Honestly, adults and kids could quickly fall off the map altogether… Read more »

Very Well written and 100% true
November 7, 2011 2:51 pm

its funny how all these Chasidim are trying to correct and silence the author of this article….
Your article is right on the money, it doesnt matter if they are ffb, bt what way they are going. We are all jews, so lets just get along!

to# 85
November 7, 2011 2:50 pm

i fully agree with u

disagree with u 100 %
November 7, 2011 2:48 pm

u missed the whole point he was making

last letter from Previous Rebbe
November 7, 2011 2:13 pm

The last letter written by the Previous Rebbe says that a certain individual without a beard should be kicked out of Kfar Chabad because such a person does not belong in Kfar Chabad! Did anyone have greater Ahavas Yisraeol than the Freidiker Rebbe? But the Rebbe also had strong STANDARDS and DEMANDS of his m’ikusharim . How does this relate to our current situation? I’m really not sure, but it’s something to think about.

Tanya says it all!
November 7, 2011 1:23 pm

A tunoik shenishba u must love as much as yourself and u must not scream at, I.e. Baal tshuva’s which no1 is complaining about, but hoichayach tochiach es amisecha goes to those that know better and that is what the original author is referring to… And jus btw keep going up on the ladder it seems u came and are coming a long way koudos and good for you!!!

Good point
November 7, 2011 1:04 pm

But you missed the point. The author was talking about those people who grew up frum and are throwing it all away. You’re talking about people who didn’t grow up frum. Also, the author didn’t coin these people “chabad Lite”, they themselves starting calling themselves Chabad Lite.

This article was written by a person who has a farshtopte kip
November 7, 2011 1:03 pm

Welcome to Lubavich. Swip problems under the rug and scream Ahavas Yisroel.

to 100
November 7, 2011 12:25 pm

the rebbe clearly said many times that ‘chayos tmeos’ (unpure animals, i.e. non kosher) shouldnt be allowed into our homes (even pictures of them!)

Insightful Comments Possible Soloution
November 7, 2011 12:12 pm

The problem seems obvious that our kids are not being reached or touched by the beauty of Chassidus; Limud Hachassidus and Darchei Hachassidus.Both parents and educators have to take action to see what’s being going wrong and how do we reach our kids.

#88 Dogs???
November 7, 2011 11:50 am

#88 I agree with you on the shorts part. But can you tell me why you don’t like dogs. Are they unchasidish? If so why? Did the rebbe ever say they were? TVs yes but far as I know the Rebbe never had any objection to dogs

Rivkie
November 7, 2011 11:21 am

why is it we always seem to feel obligated to defend the people who are sort of dropping out of the system rather than looking at things through the eyes of the truly chassidish people who want their children to be in a tznius environment ? why is it that we lower our standards to accept something improper in order to say we are chabad and we love all jews?? Yes, we love all Jews. Yes, we are Chabad. But we dont have to lower our standards or make it seem that it is okay to dress inappopriately, or trim… Read more »

to 89
November 7, 2011 10:28 am

Nice one ! and Amen to the light being brought into this world.

happy
November 7, 2011 10:19 am

to response i think chabad lite was talking about people who have the diomonds and are putting it in the wrong setting.

You probably became Frum through Shluchim! Right???
November 7, 2011 10:13 am

The previous article could have been written 20 years and you STILL would be Frum today. You know why?? Because the Shluchim work on making ppl FRUM, while the Lubavitch communities (CH, Montreal etcc.) have to keep their values. We must be tolerant, but if there is no value system and everything is “accepted” then we have the free for all that we have today. It’s ok to be liberal and opened minded, but don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. Again, your family and thousands of other families would still become ballei Teshuva because of the… Read more »

To "Former Montrealer'
November 7, 2011 9:31 am

Ok, my kids go to school in YESHIVAS OHOLEI YOSEF YITZCHOK LUBAVITCH in Melbourne Australia. Like you, they have kids from fraye homes in their class. And when the kid comes over and talks about TV or other shtusim, my kids know these fraye kids are different and they know they are better than that. They know they need to be a shining example to these fraye kids. Like the kids who grow up on shlichus, they are not affected because they know they are different and better, and so they stay that way. However if the kid is from… Read more »

info
November 7, 2011 9:28 am

ok we want people coming here, joining us, but we don’t want our teenage yeshiva boys seeing the shocking clothing. Its not fair to them. They sit in yeshiva all day, they learn and only know tzanua from home, and then they walk out and see ever few women on the street dressed perfectly from a magazine….not the Jewish kind. What are those boys supposed to do? it is an experiment because when those women raise sons, I wonder what they will think about, what their needs will be, what they will want, how they will be as teenagers, etc.… Read more »

TEACH don't just TELL!
November 7, 2011 9:19 am

As a ffb person, we are TOLD, not taught what we are to do. As for the bt’s they are TAUGHT what the way of Jewish life is all about. Maybe if schools here in ch actually taught us ( and not just told us) like shluchim do with their communities, it would show the kids a different way of understanding what life’s really all about, not only through bitachon and emunah!! Yes we learn chassidus, but every person learns differently and you can’t just teach one general way for abunch of different minds! We each take away a different… Read more »

Chayim
November 7, 2011 9:18 am

I think that lubavitch has grown too big for itself and people think that they could do what they want since there’s no leadership or anyone they have to answer to. Writing up an article on the internet isn’t going to neutrelize anybodys yetzer horah. All it does is give people the idea that there’s room for discussion on the matter and gives them the chance to answer back with baseless comments and arguments thereby creating a shitah based on their shortcomings and seemingly giving themselves more credence. Simillar to what reform did, just mainly kept within halocho.

From France
November 7, 2011 9:14 am

I sometimes go on COL and those articles draw my attention since we have similar problems in our community as well. You see, most people in the Lubavitch community in Paris are BT (btw me as well). I agree with you when you say that we need to be opened and have Ahavas isroel for every jew, but at the same time we MUST keep certain standards. Think about it and look around you: the best moisdot today are those who stood strong in their standards as well as their education style. Let me give you the example of the… Read more »

I agree with both op_eds
November 7, 2011 8:32 am

I myself am not “chabad_lite” as you put it. I am frum and struggling to make sure my kids are raised chassidish. I am a bt. Without high standards I doubt I would have become frum but this “holier than thou” status has got to go. My mother is not frum_ yet at family simchas people have insulted her about her dress_going so far as to handing her a towel turban to wear. Last night I took her to a chevra ahavas yisroel function and yes many people’s dress was not tznius but their attitudes were! Many of my family… Read more »

Too long
November 7, 2011 8:31 am

I stopped half way through. Although both article have a point – with all these ‘ranting’ op-ed articles – nothing will change. People will feel the way they feel. therefore my opinion is if you have a solution do it, no need to splash it over the net. A psychological point; when one feels so deeply bothered to the extent that it annoys them so bad – shows that they themselves are struggling in that area, whether it may be in machshava dibur or maaser. food for thought. so before you start ranting and raving, think to yourselves your allowing… Read more »

FFB
November 7, 2011 8:31 am

You are missing the point. This article was not aimed at BT’s, rather at so called chasidim that are “GEZHE”, and walk around on Shabbos with a zeidene Kapote, and on Sunday in shorts, walking their dog.
These are the people this article is supposed to wake up.
Unfortunately there are many such “Gezheniks” in the community!

Author of This Article
November 7, 2011 8:28 am

I did not miss the point. Stop labeling people. Don’t make up terms like “Chabad Lite” to try to justify a problem that you do not feel the ability to fix. And yes, if you realize there is a problem then create a solution. I do not offer a solution because in my opinion there is no problem. There are no ‘Chabad Lite’, only Jews who live their lives possibly in a way that is lacking. And that is not my business. What do you tell your kids? The same way a mother has to point out to her children… Read more »

"Chabad Lite are on the way DOWN. "
November 7, 2011 8:20 am

I am sorry but this really upsets me. Who are any of you to make this judgement. Just like every BT they are trying to find their way. We raise our children (and yes, I am a parent) and teach them but in the end, their relationship with G-d and as well with the Rebbe has to become their own. I see so many parents who just assume because their children have been raised FFB that means bam they should be frum frummies right out of the womb. That because mom and dad say so, they should have this deep… Read more »

EXACTLY!1
November 7, 2011 8:05 am

What makes you a lubavitcher? Because yo say your chittas? Because you wear 2 pairs of teffillin every day? Because you daven at 770? Because you go to the ohel regularly? Is that why you call yourself Lubavitch? YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT YOU DO WHAT THE REBBE TOLD YOU TO DO!!!!!
THE OTHER ARTICLE SPOKE ABOUT CHABAD… THAT DONT TRY TO BECOME BETTER . IT WAS NOT CONNECTED TO BAALEI TSHUVA WHO ARE GOING UP CHABAD LITE ARE GOING DOWN.!

Fabulous
November 7, 2011 7:49 am

I didn’t see the Chabad Lite article first. I probably would have thought it had something to do with dieting. But I read this fabulous article and bentsch the author that she should be adding in her Shabbos licht soon! Of course from a BT!

my family is a melting pot of all types of frum jews
November 7, 2011 6:53 am

what jumped out at me is your comment on “misnagids” do have any association with them? did you know that the litvish are now into Kirav? it certainly does not come close to Lubavitch by any means but I would say they are making strides in the right direction. and even if they don’t your comment shows intolerance on your part as well. frum people practice the way are brought up and it works differently for everyone. no one expects frum sephardim to go by our minhagim, why should litvisch people? further I get both sides of this Lubavitch light,… Read more »

nothing to add!
November 7, 2011 5:26 am

this letter is well written articulate and hits the nail on the head.If chabads standpoint should ever be ahavas yisrael for every jew…..except those that are ffb but dont exactly fit in the community that is a BIG tragedy and totally not within yiddishkeit never mind chabad!Ahavas yisrael with NO exceptions the rebbe taught us not to judge others,keep that in mind.If you want to blame anyone for what chabad has become look at the education these children have got…maybe youll find some answers there.

baalei teshuva
November 7, 2011 5:15 am

as a baalei teshuva who is basically just learning all that I need to know, and will be learning forever. I simply adored your article even though as others said that it was not what the original author was talking about.. Up, down ok I understand BUT you also can’t take away from the incredible way that THIS article was written. Are we different or are we the same… I am in training to be all that H’shem want’s me to be, so I am the same…..

Totally wrong end of the stick
November 7, 2011 4:40 am

You have totally misunderstood the whole message the author of Chabad Lite was trying to put across. . . . he was, in no way, taking about Baalei Teshuva, who’s sole aim in life is to GROW, move forward, and improve and gain. . . HE is talking about people who were ONCE there, and by choice, have decided to go DOWN the ladder, as opposed to you, who is choosing to go up on a constant basis and kudos to you and your family for that; At no point in his article was he referring to yourselves; So, YES,… Read more »

I don't see the difference FFB, BT?
November 7, 2011 4:30 am

umm why does it make a difference if you were born frum or a bt. So we care about the BTs who wernt born frum but we will let FFBs who should “know better just go off the derech. These are the same nice ppl who would advocate throwing out a bunch of boys who are “problematic ” so that G-d forbid they won’t be “metameh” the whole school. That is not the Chabad way people. It never has and it never will be we help others to the right derech so we should certainly help are own.

Funny how no rabbonim and nobody from the council will open his mouth
November 7, 2011 4:23 am

R Ashkenazi in Kfar chabad made a rule no jean skirts for girls
Lets try that in CH Have fun

To 10, 15, 57 and all the rest who realise that the poor author of this, MIISSED THE POINT
November 7, 2011 2:43 am

And I’ll say it again, just because the more it is stressed, the more people will get it. When people are given a standard of Judaism on a silver platter, which they should feel LUCKY to have been shown (i.e. Chabad) and happily say no thank you because of what? Laziness, taavos, right. It’s not exactly the same as those who struggle every day to become a better Jew. Chabad Lite are on the way DOWN. Stop defending them, because they actually don’t want to be defended – they’re happy to continue watching TV, hoping their kids will be better… Read more »

what a great response!
November 7, 2011 2:39 am

This article should be printed and spread around the world. her points, unlike the ones of the original author (who in my oppinion is a long way from ever being a chossid of the Rebbe), are right on the money! unfortunately, there are plenty of children of bt’s that are on the way down and it’s our responsibility to get close to them and catch them on the way down. this original author is a sad reality of what some of our Lubavitcers are and have become…we must find out who he is and bring him back to teshuvah…what a… Read more »

This girl/guy is the REAL THING!
November 7, 2011 2:30 am
WHERES THE SOLUTION????
November 7, 2011 2:29 am

IT was a very nice article and had alot of very valid point, BUT…yes we should respect each other and we should all be called lubavitchers and so on….but what is the solution? THe problem is in the education system. The system in O.t and ULY is only fit for a certain type of chil…usually it is only fit for the ones who come from “chassidishe” families. and even than it is not for all of those children. Now the question is how are the children of these so called “chabd lite” going to fit in to these schools and… Read more »

55 is right
November 7, 2011 2:02 am

We have to maintain our connection to the Rebbe by learning Chassidus. It will be uphill from there for us all.

incredible
November 7, 2011 1:59 am

very healthy mindset!!

your wrong
November 7, 2011 1:22 am

the Major difference here is your parents were striving to be better. Most of the people in the last article which it was talking about is looking to do less and go the easy way.

Missed the point
November 7, 2011 1:13 am

He wasn’t talking about Baalei Tshuvos.

Excellent
November 7, 2011 12:57 am

This article is excellent. spot on.
We are all baal teshuvas, Who are you to judge who is going up or down? It is not your business. You just need to have ahavas yisroel. Do your part and stop judging others.

#7 got it straight
November 7, 2011 12:39 am

People consider themselves chassidim bc they say chitas? Yes, because that was a directive of the rebbe that they follow.

It’s really very simple: a chossid follows the rebbe. The rebbe says not to trim your beard, chassidim don’t. The rebbe says to wear a sheitel, chassidim do.

Kudos to your family and you for the amazing steps you have taken.

a jew
November 7, 2011 12:36 am

thank you so much for your article, I found itbeautifully written and very heartfely. It insired me and refreshed some points.
thank yoou forputting in the time.

Guess what
November 7, 2011 12:35 am

It is not 20 years ago! Theres a reason the article was written now, and not then.

read #57
November 7, 2011 12:31 am

author of “chabad Lite’ yes you have a great way of expressing yourself and i hope everyone reads your comment. you are right on target. I am very offended when a mother, a graduate from Bais Rivka , born and bred in a true lub. home comes to shul on Rosh Hahsono with a terribly low cut shirt and talks most of the time in shul. Should she still come to shul or should she stay home. It doesn’t mean I don’t like her, I actually have a lot of rachmonus on her that i had to show her “they… Read more »

Author of This Article
November 7, 2011 12:13 am

I did not miss the point of the ‘Chabad Lite’ op-ed at all. I know that it is referring to ‘frum from birth’ children who may be going down in their yidishkeit, while I started off my article talking about Baal Teshuvas. But while some of you choose to comment that ‘the Chabad Lite is not talking about Baal Teshuva’s, it is great that they are becoming more frum’, I ask you to think about WHY you feel the right to make such a distinction. My point is EXACTLY that. Who are you to say good, Baal Teshuvas are always… Read more »

To 50
November 7, 2011 12:01 am

I’m not referring to scratching your beard and mistakenly pulling out a hair or two. I’m referring to deliberately trimming and shaving.I think that would still leave us with a few Lubavitchers. Furthermore and this is the main point ,if this standard would be made clear many who currently trim might stop as they still love The Rebbe and want to maintain their connection.

3, 6, 7, 10 and those who wrote similar to them!
November 7, 2011 12:01 am

you guys totally sed waht i would have wrote! this was written to those who were the “lubavs” and went off. the reason why the word “lubavs” is in the parentheses is because if they were TRUE lubavitchers, then they would have gone off the derech. no matter what wouldva happened to them. There are many nisyonos in our world and every year with newer technology there are more nisyonos. You can take the same nisayon of today and take the same one of 20 years ago and you honestly just cant compare the two because the whole environment was… Read more »

Obviously a sore point
November 6, 2011 11:56 pm

Just watchng all these responses is a testament to the severity of the problem. We Certainly have to maintain standards. This author missed the key point that there is a huge difference in which way you are going. And which way you are going is obvious to all. Even l’havdil goyim have more respect in how they dress and act when they enter our neighborhood as a guest, In last weeks parshah Avraham Avinu sends his nephew Lot away. Does not mean he doesnt love him. He goes on to fight wars for him.This weeks parshah, Sarah Imeinu sends Yishmael… Read more »

a balei teshuva responds
November 6, 2011 11:49 pm

So sweet, BUT the ppl the original article was referring to r def not trying to keep tznius. Sweetheart, do u have kids? The kids R NOT nonfrum kids that our kids can influence. Very naive. They r showing n telling our kids much more than we want them to hear, bc their parents DONT have the same standards. i wish u were right, but our community is suffering publicly bc of this lack of respect. Instead of loving n accepting them, sometimes we NEED to b tough and demand a standard b kept.

great article
November 6, 2011 11:46 pm

Thank you for posting.

You missed the whole point
November 6, 2011 11:36 pm

The original author of “chabad lite” was referring to people who grew up in frum homes are going down in frumkeit, not the other way around

Author of "Chabad Lite"
November 6, 2011 11:36 pm

Beautiful article. Really. However, the people I was referring to are one ones who are happily on the way down. The people you are referring to are the ones who are either stagnant or on their way up. Re. who am i to say anything about these people / am I a true chassid? A chossid is someone who strives to be better. No, I cannot claim to be the “poster boy” chossid, but I sure try. And I want my children to be able to be chassidim. As a parent I have to do all I can to raise… Read more »

.....hmmmm
November 6, 2011 11:24 pm

really now…. if a person is influencing he can’t be influenced… sort of like a cup if you’re pouring out nothing can be poured in… on the other hand… kids can’t pour out, kids only take in from other kids… this is where the dillema lies.. stop putting each other down.. just clear things up … yes kids need to be around other kids who can help them grow… but also not help them fall… and this is where the older generation usually comes in and holds kids up and provides moral support and guidance.. but our world is really… Read more »

Wake up and smell the coffee
November 6, 2011 11:18 pm

Hey Chabad Lite writer; your concerns may be well grounded and truly urgent, but your solution is so truly ‘not’. No longer can the first reaction be as it was when the Maskilim infiltrated a community he was banished. those days won’t be again. the reason is simple. Communities no longer have walls due to the world of computers and internet, nor are your children limited to the ‘walls’ of your community if there were. does your son not go on Mivtzaim to the city? possibly you might even look at the advertisments and the billboards yourself. The Baal Shem… Read more »

Off base
November 6, 2011 11:18 pm

At that point he was not considered a regular “lubvitcher” and more importantly he was on the way up… today half of crown heights are children of frum parents and they are on the way down.

It’s does not matter what step of the ladder you are on… as long as you are going up!

(sad to say “chabad lite” is not heading up)

Former Montrealer
November 6, 2011 11:12 pm

Well written. I grew up in Montreal, in the Yeshiva Tomchei Timimim, which was founded in Montreal by the 9 Sheluchim of the Friediker Rebbe. We had many not Frum children in our class (Also children from families that were Chabad and then became more modern), the Teachers and Hanhala knew the risk of what these not Frum kids will bring to the yeshiva and have a Goyishe influence on us. Recently I asked one of the people involved, why was this done? His reply was that it was an order from the Rebbe. I can say for certain that… Read more »

pointless
November 6, 2011 10:50 pm

All of you who say that the writer is missing the point? No you are missing the point.completely. All of you who say the writer is missing the point are clearly out of the level of understanding of what is going on and are stuck in their stubborn musser rut. I pity you

Same machlokes as the mishna
November 6, 2011 10:43 pm

Chagiga Perek 1 Mishna 7:
Rabbi Shimon ben Menasya says: What is “That which is crooked” which cannot be made straight? This refers to the one who has relations with a woman forbidden to him and she bears a mamzer; for should you say that this refers to the thief and the robber, he can return what he stole and [thereby it can]be“madestraight”.RabbiShimon
ben Yohai says: “That which is crooked,” is applied only to one who initially was straight and became crooked. Who is this? This is a Torah scholar who withdraws from the
Torah

To 29
November 6, 2011 10:32 pm

where to draw the line?

You tell me, are you saying that someone who touches their beard (including picking a few strands out – which i can safely say 60-90% of lubavitchers at sometime do) makes them not lubavitchers, that would leave a very small Lubavitch so I ask you, where do you draw the line?

#29 is right on!
November 6, 2011 10:30 pm

The inappropriate deeds are incredible… I have to deal with my childrens questions….

why should we be tolerant of tznius infractions?
November 6, 2011 10:30 pm

If a non-Muslim woman were to visit a mosque, she would probably want to find out how to dress in order not to offend the worshipers there. Unfortunately, our Holy places are not afforded that sensitivity and sometimes it is by people who definitely know better and do not even have to ask what proper decorum is. I can understand a secular Israeli woman going to the Ohel in jeans and flip-flops because she is trying to come closer and we don’t want to push her away, however, it is offensive when someone educated to know better approaches the Rebbe,… Read more »

Really?
November 6, 2011 10:30 pm

Yes the author in the previous article was talking about people who grew up frum. The point was not missed. I think it’s quite obvious that these so called Chabad lite need some shluchim to come help them in their yiddishkeit. I believe what the author here is trying to say is that if you push them away there is no chance of tHem ever changing and becoming better people.

Very well written. My thoughts exactly.

Dear Writer:
November 6, 2011 10:28 pm

Your heartfelt article tells us a lot about your values and ahavas Israel, and ahavas Chabad. I am a CH’er from way back. My heart aches when my grand-children, who are raised in shlichus, exposed to much undesirable influences in school and out, come to CH and stare at girls and women walking on Kingston Ave. They are too eidel to comment, but I know what they are wondering about. B”H, with the Rebbe’s brochos, they are growing up truly frum, eidel, tzniusdik in dress and speech. So how is it, that our own CHtsers are so lacking in these… Read more »

Kudos
November 6, 2011 10:25 pm

Well written. Fully agree.

Signed, FFB-CB

Baal Teshuva Comment
November 6, 2011 10:22 pm

I became frum at the age of 33. That was 15 yrs ago when there wasn’t such an issue. Now what I see is not only young girls but older women with a tznius challenges(including head rebbetzins of communities). Where are our role models? Maybe they can consider being more tznius for the sake of other women who are trying to maintain and grow in their yiddishkeit. It seems reverse now. Baal Teshuvas are more in keeping with what the Rebbe wants (in this department) than some FFBs. I can understand the first writers frustrations. It seems an embarrassment to… Read more »

unfortunate reality
November 6, 2011 10:21 pm

despite most of the teachings of Lubavitch, the people who, wrote the article don’t want people like you to join the movement .

YOU MISSED THE POINT
November 6, 2011 10:20 pm

THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE BECOMING LESS FRUM..NOT BT’S..SORRY

Besides the point, On point
November 6, 2011 10:19 pm

Although, as everyone pointed out, the author wasn’t talking about BT’s your response is very much on target.

You can’t expect to be mekarev people when you have no respect for your own. People see right through your facade and get turned off.

If you really cared about people then you would find a better solution then suggesting to “throw them all out”

agree!!
November 6, 2011 10:19 pm

I agree 1000000%.
there is no better words to say it
kol hakovod!!!!!!!!

Missed the point
November 6, 2011 10:16 pm

Great article but it doesn’t answer the question of how can you tell your kids that they “CHABAD lite” are different without labeling them. When you live out of town it’s different it’s much eseir to tell your children those kids are different but when you live in crown heights how do you tell you kids that their friends who they see as lubavichers are different? Therefore the only way is to have a Standord in the yeshiva system that will ensure that the parents that work so hard in their homes to shield their kids from the outside world… Read more »

Going up or down
November 6, 2011 10:15 pm

There is a distinction between a Chabad lite moving up to become the Real Chabad (i.e. baalei tshuva as your parents) who realize what the goal is; and someone who is in the process of lowering their standards and calling that Chabad.

What?!
November 6, 2011 10:14 pm

NOBODY ever said that there is anything wrong with a ba’al tshuva that is becoming increasingly more frum.
To compare the ba’al tshuva (who has SO MUCH msiras nefesh) to the “dance on both weddings / chabad lite” type, is OFFENSIVE to the ba’al tshuva!
(Is the writer of the article REALLY a ba’al tshuva, or is he just USING THEM to make a case for those that are shedding their frumkeit?!)

The Other Direction - on PURPOSE
November 6, 2011 10:10 pm

The focus of the original article was not AT ALL directed to your family or the types of families that you are talking about in your beautifully written letter. The phenomenon that has been escalating over the past few years – that needs a loving solution – is that the children and grandchildren of very frum, 3-generation Chabad families who are intentionally going against the Shulachan Aruch. Many 20-somethings are not just visiting a movie theater or a dance club to check it out. They are intentionally going regularly as a planned destination, and often partying in groups. The girls… Read more »

Wilkes Barre Pa
November 6, 2011 10:09 pm

Please take a deep look at the Yeshiva in Wilkes Barre and learn a big lesson, its not all about out reach its also in reach. Just because you assume that a person knows better, doesn’t mean they do. If you found a guy on mivtziom that knows how to put on Teffilin or has them at home, would you not still ask him to put on now? please, everyone stop pointing your fingers at the troubled teens, we had our teachers our whole life point fingers at us please stop. show love from the heart cause it will then… Read more »

Well Written
November 6, 2011 10:05 pm

I was so upset at the Chabad Lite article. You put pen to paper and really expressed yourself clearly.

Thank You

In your own words...
November 6, 2011 10:03 pm

A father who trims his beard, does not wear a kappota on shabbos, a mother who wears a hat over her hair, or a head scarf but no wig, and children who can very well be a poster ad for Aish. Yes, they look frum, but does that make them Lubavitch? The answer is in your next paragraph, thats who they were 20 years ago…Today they are lubavitch. Let me ask you this…are you “chabad lite” are you the father that trims his beard (today)? does not wear a kapota on shabbos? are you the mother that wears a head… Read more »

where is the ceo of this website
November 6, 2011 10:01 pm

just anything goes in the op-ed? Doesn’t anyone take responsiblity in editing articles, seeing what is appropriate etc. Did the ceo not realize that this current author is not responding to the original article as she missed the point. It is not her family that was targeted.

on a diff. note, it is expected of all of those who do not conform to the standards of Chabad will somehow justify themselves and find a way to blame it on someone else. etc.

what difference does it make!!!!
November 6, 2011 9:57 pm

FFB BT we are all yidden!!!! dont you see none of these labels matter…..we are all children of Hashem trying our best!!!

you're missing the point
November 6, 2011 9:47 pm

YOU were going UP not going DOWN

Where to draw the line
November 6, 2011 9:46 pm

According to Chabad to alter the growth of the beard in any way is a Biblical Prohibition.Thus if someone transgresses this Issur Doiraysa Bfarhasaya he should have the decency not to wear a Kapata and openly identify as Chabad. That Lanius Dati is the measuring tape: Issur Dairaysa Bfarhasaya.

Right On
November 6, 2011 9:42 pm

Very well said – beautiful!!!! I continued in my own path toward Yiddishkeit because I was made to feel that I belonged. I would have been mortified and ashamed of my current state, albeit “upwards on the ladder,” and probably have turned backwards, thinking it was “not for me”. Now am married to a “Lubavitcher” and we do consider ourselves Lubavitch in every “exterior” sense – the dress and other minhagim that identify Chabad, however this article encouraged me to look deeper in myself, to not judge others, like those who I may see at a wedding wearing a waist… Read more »

Amazing!!!!!
November 6, 2011 9:23 pm

No words, just amazing.

Out of Towner
November 6, 2011 9:16 pm

Excellent response. Well thought out and well written. I might add that no one has mentioned that the parents need to take responsibility for their children. The children need to know that “these” behaviours are not accept in our family or home but we still have a responsibility to accept these Jews and hopefully bring them closer. TALK to your children about what your standards are and why they are what they are. Pushing away and giving up is never the answer. Only Hashem knows what the end result will be.

Dinah
November 6, 2011 9:16 pm

Beautifully Written, Kol Hakavod

Its all about the Beard, Jew.
November 6, 2011 9:12 pm

Hey Jew wheres your beard?
Hey Beard wheres your Jew?
Its up to you.

you kinda missed something
November 6, 2011 9:12 pm

The writer made a strong definition of what she meant and I believe you missed the underlining point. She mentioned that these people are on their way down and not up ur parents whom you use as example were heading up which is why they still would be even had this been written then.. They are heading down which y she feels she would rather her kids not be influenced by them which I to agree with. Also says she says that she loves these people.. the same way you say she has no right to judge, you have no… Read more »

Brilliant!
November 6, 2011 9:10 pm

Thank you for standing up for those of us who have been categorized as “Chabad Lite”. Believe it or not we have something to offer that “Chabad Regular” does not. Thank. Very wel put.

Ok,
November 6, 2011 9:08 pm

So you lost me at abotu paragraph 4 (especially when I saw there were about another 15). But from what I read, you clearly misunderstood the first article. The author clearly stated that he was not talking about people who are true baalei teshuvah, he was speaking about people who were brought up in frum chabad homes who then decided to lower their standards signifigantly. The very core of Lubavitch is to bring yidden back to yiddishkiet. But this doesn’t give frum chabad (all their life) people the license to bring this neighborhood down in a way the Rebbe would… Read more »

uh huh
November 6, 2011 9:06 pm

i think both op eds have a good point.
as chassidim we should ask ourselves, do i call myself lubavitch just for the advantages or do i know the responsibility it comes with???

Your also right 100%
November 6, 2011 9:02 pm

What I took out of the first article was, what to tell are children so they should act different?

From this article was, only the Rebbe and Hashem can judge, and we should judge favorably and act towards all with ahavas yisroel.

Nice article but irrelevant
November 6, 2011 8:59 pm

This has nothing to do with Chabad Lite.

The author is a Ben Baal Teshuva. His/Her parents were on the way up.

Chabad Lite is a phenomenon of Lubavitchers that are (usually) FFB and are on the way down.

wow!
November 6, 2011 8:55 pm

This is an article ive needed!! same how i feel! amazing response! criticisim but with good back up…thank you:)

with all do respect
November 6, 2011 8:50 pm

Chaban demands tolerance, but that’s only from people who don’t know better. From people that know better there should be ZERO tolerance.

Not the same thing
November 6, 2011 8:50 pm

The Rebbe responded, “When a Jew endeavors to take a step forward in the service of G-d and the love of his fellow man every day, I am happy to consider him my chassid.” I quote ur own quote, you and your parents were/are moving up, the people the original writer refers to is the 3rd generation Lubavitchers whose grandparents were moser nefesh to keep the MINHAGIM and CHUMROS, let alone HALACHA. Yet they CHOOSE to flaunt their lack of respect for this community that loves all Jews and accepts all Jews for who they are. Don’t muddy the waters… Read more »

who is this A
November 6, 2011 8:48 pm

Who is this A?

beautiful article
November 6, 2011 8:46 pm

You could not have put it better…So So So nice!!!!

What will be?
November 6, 2011 8:46 pm

thank you for your thoughts.
Quite long, rambling and repetitive though.

1. In one sentence: the people you’re describing, your parents etc, were on the WAY UP the ladder. That’s the difference.

2. Basic sociology explains that children ARE affected by their surroundings. And factually they are in school much longer than at home…We have a responsibility to protect our children.

3. As an observer, I must note that you are being extremely judgemental of the Original Poster….are you so defensive for a reason?

Crown Heights BT
November 6, 2011 8:45 pm

This is the single best thing I have ever read on a Chabad news site. A gigantic Yasher Koach to the author!

(I’m 30 years old and have gotten asked why I don’t wear a kapota on Shabbos. I’m just not married yet. I’m tempted to buy one just to stop the questions!)

This author has brought nachas to the Rebbe and to Crown Heights!!

you are COMPLETLY missing the point!!!!!
November 6, 2011 8:42 pm

Your article is about people becoming frum
the previous article was about people who grew up frum and BECOMING lighter versus stronger!!!!

thank you!
November 6, 2011 8:39 pm

this response said everythingggg I was thinking when I read the ‘Chabad Lite’ article! Boruch Hashem I live in a normal, accepting Chabad community or I would never be where I am today as a baalei teshuva

moishe
November 6, 2011 8:37 pm

does that mean we should have no standerds and evrything go’s because maybe we will be mekarev a person years later. how about all the people who get influenced by these people who trim thier beards, go dressesd not tzniusdik etc

hello
November 6, 2011 8:24 pm

typical farmer article.what dont you understand?! your father started with no beard and eventually grew one.

these guys started with a beard and took it off.

what we are asking is,who is supposed to be mekarev your “father” these days.

the “lite guys”?

Reread the article
November 6, 2011 8:23 pm

The article stated about lubav who were brought up frum not Baalei Teshuva

Direct response
November 6, 2011 8:22 pm

Sharp and to the point. Everyone has nisyonos that need to be worked on. But, Criticism should be cushioned with love.

A+++++++++
November 6, 2011 8:21 pm

No better words. Great job!

missed the point!
November 6, 2011 8:19 pm

seems like lots of ppl missed the point from the “chabad lite” article…

Excellent....but...
November 6, 2011 8:18 pm

Excellent rebuttal, and good food for thought.

I think the original author’s missive was aimed not at BT’s or children of BT’s, quite the contrary, to those FFB-BC (Born Chabad) who know better.

Small difference makes the whole article read differently.

Extremely well written.
November 6, 2011 8:16 pm

Kudos. Very well written.

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