By Yehudah Kaplan
Over the past decade, thousands of words have been spilled, in conversation and in print, over the alarming rate of our youth going off the derech. Accusations have been made against our school systems and against the parents. The rabbonim, the mashpiyim and even our store vendors have been blamed.
No doubt, there’s a kernel of truth to all of the above. There is however one area, which I feel has been overlooked, and interestingly enough, it is the first one to be mentioned by most educators. How much this is of influence, cannot be proven without thorough study, but surely a factor deserving of attention it is.
I am talking of the two month summer camps.
First the facts:
(Most of what is written here is regarding the boys camps, of which the writer has more an idea, but much of it is equally relevant to the girls programs.)
1) All the camps are being run by twenty two year old bochurim, and twenty year old girls respectively. Simply put: Three hundred children in the hands of a person who is not yet ready to have children of his/her own.
2) The curriculums, games, plays, night activities and songs, are being prepared by teenagers. No professional guidance provided.
3) Overlooking their work is the director, who sees the camp as a business enterprise and whose expertise in education is next to nothing. While traditionally there is a camp rabbi, he does not have much influence on the day to day workings of the camp.
4) The most important goal every staff member is told: Make sure the kids have a good time. Everything else is secondary.
5) In the boy’s camps, the counselors are generally the less chassidishe bochurim. This is simply due to the fact that any bochur interested in learning would prefer to go to a yeshivas kayitz or at least be a learning teacher. It is therefore usually the fun seeking, available, camp-style bochur who is spending two months with the kids as their role model.
Likewise, the head counselors of the boy’s camps must be the kind of bochur who is ready to sacrifice half a year of learning to prepare for the summer.
6) There is no academic standard that has to be met by the camp curriculum. In other words, it is impossible for a camp’s learning to fail. Emotional and behavioral intendancies are not the responsibility of the camp either. Once the summer is over, all staff members are scot free.
The results are only to be expected:
The unsettled seventeen year old counselors and waiters dictate the education; basic good ethics and traits, like not screaming in the streets, not ridiculing others, being respectful of your teachers etc, all become “nerdy” in camp. The camp atmosphere demands that you be with it. “It” is monitored by the popular night activity director who has just about managed not to get kicked out of yeshivah.
These same educators of our youth are also creating and cheering with the kids street-like chants, which are usually meaningless, and at times coarse. The more silly and immature one could be – the better counselor he is. The staff will generally not deny that the cheering is more for their own fun, than for the children.
The activities and programs are infiltrated with secular culture. Many a camp play was based on movies, which for some reason the play writers happened to have seen. The scavengers and shmayonkies may also have the same.
Then there’s the dress. The staff members, finally relived from their yeshivah shackles, could dress as hip as they wish. White shirt and dark pants are not ‘cool’. A green-yarmullka bearer is a hero. All campers wishing to ‘fit in’ follow suit.
The learning is a joke too. Unlike all other camps, Lubavitch camps do not provide married experienced teachers, who know their stuff and discipline professionally. In fact the learning teachers are even younger than the counselors. The results are; tampering with the learning, turning good kids into trouble makers, and a vicious cycle of bribes and punishments being implemented by the clueless, and occasionally careless, seven seventy bochur in charge.
The emotional damage is worthy of a study of its own. Publicly humiliating kids is daily procedure in the dining room, petting and picking is customary and creating outright competition is the fuel on which camp runs.
All of this is covered and packaged in a few attractive fluffy wrappers, which blind the parents and set them to rest. Mushy Rebbe songs, mishnayos ba’al peh contests, loads of fun and expensive trips, bring back home smiling kids. But the damage was done, and will only surf during the course of the school year.
The Rebbi attempts to excite the kids about learning and yiddishe values, but year after year, it falls flat. The teacher is simply not ‘with it’ – with camp.
In camp they were taught that learning is a non-issue, and here the teacher is trying to make it sound like it’s a life matter. Their counselors were ‘cool’, and this teacher is telling them that chassidishkeit is what’s important.
The chutzpah to the teacher soars, as a natural continuation of the fun. It is quite possibly also due to the fact that the teachers are subconsciously perceived as old-fashioned not-with-it people, as a result of the worldly camp atmosphere.
It cannot be expected otherwise. After being brainwashed for eight weeks that camp is the best place and being spoiled with treats, trips and fun; after enjoying ‘runaways’ from learning class and spending half a day in the swimming pool or the baseball court – the rebbis are being put up to heavy competition. One that they are bound to fail at.
As the year progresses, the Rebbi somehow stitches up the damage done by the summer, and attempts to instill a learning ethic, derech eretz and yiras shomayim. But as the summer comes around, it all goes up in smoke as the next batch of teenagers set about blinding his dear pupils with the easier, cooler, alternative way of life.
Back in camp, camper and counselor have much in common; they both relate of a miserably boring year of irrelevant gemorah, and dive into a “fun-packed summer experience of a lifetime”, one that shall “change your child forever”.
In the tug of war between the schools and the camps, the latter usually succeed. They have everything going for them, including the twenty four hour atmosphere, the not being restricted to educational programs, not being answerable to any level of providing skills and knowledge, and an enthusiastic youthful staff anxious to partake in the fun.
The results are all well known to us.
The past few years have seen much of our energy invested in constructively criticizing our community. I believe that most of our homes, and the vast majority of our teachers, are doing only good. The real culprits are the camps.
One frustrated teacher once remarked that since the Rebbe originally set up the camps for non frum kids, and since the camps are not managing to attract them, they are attempting to produce them on their own. A sad joke of bad taste, but one we cannot laugh away.
Our kids are not going off any derech – their striding strictly on the alternative path they were shown.
I WENT TO CAMP FOR 6 YEARS AND FEEL THAT IT HELPED ALOT IN ENHANCING MY CHASSIDISHKEIT…EVEN AS A STAFF MEMBER….THANK YOU CGI PARKSVILLE!!
I GUESS U HAD A BAD AND TRAUMATIZING EXPIRIENCE….
p.s. COL, A TIP FOR YOU IS NEVER TO PUT THIS GUYS ARTICALS UP AGAIN
The counselors are way too young and uncaring for the campers. They tend to care more about themselves than the campers. The counselors need to be at least 20 if not older
All the camps that I here about are run by amazing directors and have very capable HC’s who run things by the directors. The counselors are girls or boys who are dedicated enough to spend their summer having fun and being good role models for your children.
It seems that you just had bad experiences because as a both a camper and a counselor I can say that the 2 months of sleep away camp are by far my most “chassidish” and fun months of the year. I literally waited all year to go to sleep away camp.
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i agree
what a shame you did not write sharper.
it is clear that all the mothers love camp, since they have no idea what happens there. but i, as a camper and staff member, say it is seriously damaging to the kids sincerity, purity and derech eretz.”
if it was so bad as a camper, why did you go back as a staff? hu?
like the saying goes
when you point a finger at others you are pointing 3 at yourself.
The history and values of camps should be shown and recommended to potential and regular campers in the youtube videos called TheCampfund.com, both parts 1 and 2.
so what are you saying?
that parents like you are destroying their kids yidishkeit.?
the kids arent becoming off the derech in camp(thats for sure)
so stop putting the blame on others and realize that you messed up
and unfortunately HYPOCRISY is prevalent…we need to address this issue or continue to turn our children off. The Rebbe is/was very clear about the potential of overnight camp and thus we could infer the opposite is also true if the camp is not run well by experienced professionals. Whether we like it or not, times have changed. If we don’t demand our community’s camps to get with the program then we’re all negligent and partially responsible for our youth going off the derech. We must demand that our overnight camps to take their responsibility serious and we must hold them… Read more »
what a shame you did not write sharper.
it is clear that all the mothers love camp, since they have no idea what happens there. but i, as a camper and staff member, say it is seriously damaging to the kids sincerity, purity and derech eretz.
I injoy reeding theas komints – thu speling maiks mi Lauf
this is ridiculous i have been to cgi parksville for 3 years and it was definently yhe best time of my life and if anything my chassidishkeit grew stronger
Amen! Ad Mosai!
I AGREE with much of what the writer says. It’s a major problem that real learning isn’t on the agenda in camp. I begged my son’s counselors and learning teachers to motivate him to learn B’al Peh. They weren’t interested in the extra work, and my son was so busy having fun. Then there’s another month till they get back to learning, don’t forget, Yeshiva only starts around chai Elul…. or sometimes almost Erev Rosh hashana, the date is dictated by the goyishe Labor Day and fashionable Catskill vacationers, and us square-thinkers must follow suit. Then there’s an entire Tishrei… Read more »
one thing i havnt seen addressed is thar the author writes that in other frum camps outside lubavitch the learning teachers are usually married and rebbeim during the year. How can that be anything but posotive?
I’m going to use the two most established camps – Montreal and New York and their hometowns – Montreal and Crown Heights as the school places. And then go point by point. Perhaps the educators you refer to who “mention first the summer camps” as deserving of attention are those who should be educating the other ten months but don’t and who look to deflect responsibility. Since when is “parent” any indicator of ability to run anything? To run a camp requires some level of qualification. To be a parent – well we all know it doesn’t take much for… Read more »
This is the most nonsensical post I’ve seen about lubavitch issues ever. There’s so much wrong with it i’m not going to bother addressing each non-point. If there’s anything positive in lubavitch it’s the camps. Yup. Enthusiastic, young guys who are allowed their creative expressions provide potent learning sessions, healthy sports times, exciting trips, entertainment, healthy bonding. Many children are enthused by camps sufficiently to enable them to make it thru their boring school year “administered” by burned out “educators.” I’m not ignoring the fact that there are some bad apples in camps and some bad things have happened there,… Read more »
how can you write something when you obviously dont even know the facts. camp is the most amazing thing!
Most, if not all the comments strogly disagree with you!……No point in leaving my two cents….but good luck next time.
50% true 50% false!
bederech klal the love to yidishkiet and rebbe come from camp and not as much from school and i tell u this because this is how it is to me and my freinds till this very day
The holy dedicated boys who sweat all summer do a great job and I can testify to the positive affect it had on my five boys. The positive effects the counselors have on the kids throughout the year is priceless. The real culprits are the schools who close the school at least a week before camp and reopen at least 10 days after camp of 8 weeks long finished. And these weeks of doing nothing are the worst message you can send a kid. The school basically tells the kid that learning means nothing, that wasting entire weeks between school… Read more »
The Rebbe Said in a Sicha 15 Shvat 5739 that the reason for the Golus is that we should get a greater light after the darkness, its like a father that hides from his son so his son should look for him and when he does find him the Simcha will be so much greater, but continues the Rebbe when the son stops looking that is the worst type of Golus there could be, – now how can you blame the child though if he looked for his father on Sunday he looks and on Monday he looks (at this… Read more »
1. As you see in the many above comments, you grossly exaggerate. There are a few kids that suffer of the problems you mention. And many of the ones that do are bec. of Hashpois from peers of less Chassidishe homes. 2. I, for one, know that CGI Parksville hired a very talented Mashpiah, whom Bochurim love, to oversee the staff and the goings on in camp. I had to approve the color war play I wrote up with him before we got a go ahead. Every Erev Shabbos he would Fabreng with the staff, and it was with that… Read more »
to takae a mosad created and encouraged by the rebbe (THE ONLY TIME THE REBBE LEFT CROWN HEIGHTS WAS TO GO TO CAMP!!HELLO??) and a program which the rebbe himself trusted in the hands of young people. and to make it sound literally like a religious holocaust. i feel like puking. i dont know who this writer is, but he or she got up on the wrong side of the bed, and obvioouslty had some terrible camp experiences. dont ruin it for the rest oif the world. some o the most meaningful, most impacting moments in a childs life are… Read more »
i agree with you about a very chasidishe kid who has never been exposed to anything that plays and not the most chasidishe staff might have a bad effect but your average lubavicher kid camp is good for him gives him a chayus in davening learns niggunim and other good things
and by the way most mashpeim say you should be a councler over a learning teacher
Middois is one of the fundamental thing that you have to teach how should a kid know what are the do and dount’s if he was never told
the way you teach middois is 1st Dugma Chaya 2nd is threw telling the kids story’s of rabbeim gdoile yisroel and chassidim of how they conducted them selfs
this is one of the major effort that Toimchei Temimim put an enfaces Middois Toivois and Yirei Shomaim.
Nothing could be further from the truth!! I have sent my boys to CGI Parksville for the past few summers. They had wonderful counselors, amazing infirmary staff and came home revived with ruchnius and chassidishlkeit. There is nothing like a summer in Parksville. I wouldn’t dream of not sending them as they grow so much in so little time. Yossi Futerfas does his work. He is on top of things and his staff. He runs a tight, safe ship and for that I am grateful. I am honored to send my children there to allow them such an amazing opportunity.… Read more »
All the truth about camps can really be found on the YOUTUBE VIDEOS: TheCampFund.com (PART 1 and PART 2)!
I was a camper in CGI Parksville NY for 3 years. My chasidishkite, and love for the rebbe, chasidus, and yidishkite soared during those precious months, and continued throughout the years.
Most of the information in this article is simply not true…!
I just want to say that I am a Shlucha today, and went to a top seminary BECAUSE of my summers in BJJ Teen Camp! It has made me who I am today!
the things written in this article are mostly untrue and entirely one-sided. from a psychological point of view, the author seems to have had a bad experience with camp. either he was bullied as a child in camp, or he had a bad experience with a son. i will not pick through every individual piece of this article, but i would like to point out that what he wrote about the staff in completely false. big camps like montreal and parksville always have chassidish head counselors, and even the counselors are far from the worst of bochurim. the negative influence… Read more »
Might I add, this is also a major contributor to the Shidduch Crisis.
For this reason, I will never Bli Neder send my kid to sleep over. It could very well be the biggest mistake of any parenting ‘career’ sure most of the time it goes well, but the risks are growing larger, and the camps are getting worse. THANK you for speaking up, you should write a sequel going into the other points that are horrendous about overnight camp and HOW they should be corrected. Please dont be deterred by lame comments, this issue needs to come out of the closet and be adressed properly. The fault mainly lies, not with counselors,… Read more »
You have over exaggerated this article, and you wrote to many stereotypes to be even taken seriously! How dare you accuse hard-working staff members, who dedicate their summer to provide an amazing atmosphere for children, of just about manageing not to get kicked out of yeshivah. the audacity of that statement quite sickens me. the rest of your accusations are baseless, and made quite ignorantly.
YOU-DO-NOT-NO-WHAT-YOU-ARE-TALKING-ABOUT
I went to Camp Emunah in the 70’s and it was the best part of my childhood. I loved it! Camp has potential to do possitively, what no school or home can do. Also, if you give your children confidence and security in their yiddishkiet at home, I don’t think the few possibly not so chassidish bochurim or girl councellors will have a huge negative impact on them.
Some girls camps really do have this problem (though it may not alway be the fault of the counselors).
…but the way it was brought out was a bit extreme. Personally, my sister did lose some Chassidishkeit in camp because of her extremely young, inexperienced, and totally not Chassidishe counselors. However , this is the exception. Camp can really show you how to be Chassidishe and cool at the same time.
And yes- all counselors DO need training.
just like the songs says guys …. “swimming rowing hiking going all together with brotherly love ……we work and play and serve hashem in every way with the rebbes brocho from above”
camp may need to lift its game a little but schools have a long long way to move to help kids enjoy learning. there is no aveira in making learning fun for kids … schools could take a page out of the camp play book
In a way, this author has a valid point. Camp DOES ruin SOME people; I stress the word SOME. However, camp also provides a fun way to enjoy summer, with ruchnius also involved. I am not sure if only girl’s camps do this (I am a girl camper…) but the girls camp has an amazing tzivos hashem program that really motivates people, including me, to do tzivos hashem and to learn new things. The author writes how the counselors are “the less chassidish”. I strongly disagree with that. I am writing in regards to a girls camp. I have went… Read more »
how can you write an article on this subject, and be so out of touch with todays overnight camps
the beginning – not so much, the end a little less, and the middle is totally off!!!!!!1
maybe teach you son how to be a man and play ball!!!!!
with your attitude , i would never pick your son either
most of the kids are off the derech ,cuz of the terrible chinuch our schools are giving them .
if anything the camps help them with their yiddishkeit
how does someone write such an article??
this is an article that should have never been published
the writer has no clue.
throwing all the great bochurim and staff that work so hard under the bus.
i would like to say other things,but afraid you wouldnt be able to publish it.
hopefully the article writer will realize how wrong this was
this is a waist of time!… we should make camp the entire year maybe that’s the only solution…..
i was in camp as a camper and staff member for 15 years in Chayolei Hamelech …. i could fill up this website with stories of kids and their family’s who benefited from chayolei more then what they get the entire school year
Yehuda, your article describes the camps when I was a camper 25 years ago. Although I had a great time, the Chinuch offered was horrible and a waste of two months. The present situation is totally different – if there is one place that our boys are getting a true Chasidishe cinuch it is at our overnight camps (NY, Detroit and Montreal). Unfortunately, it is at our girls camps that your article should focus on. Our daughters loose their Eidelkeit after spending a summer in camp. They come home less Tzniusdik in their dress along with coarse behavior (screaming and… Read more »
you’re not supposed to teach middos
the only way kids can learn things like ahavas yisroel, etc. is raising them in an environment where it is subtly engraved into them by role models, atmosphere, etc
the only one you should point fingers at or blame is yourself. you have a choice to do good or bad. Dont blame camps for people not being chassidish.
“20 yr old girls are not ready for childern of thier own..?” – then why are we pushing them to get married at 19?
1 Yes camp will not always be 100% learning but you must remember the 2 months in camp are only in camp therefore there is less outside influences then home where your kids are the other 10 months of the year. If a kid comes from a strong background there is no reason any of this should apply. That said yes camps need to be a little better supervised and more emphasis on having kids learn not making them do so as well as fixing the environment they are in. 2 I find this article pointless and only said to… Read more »
Umm do you seriously believe the counselors should walk around all day with white shirts tucked in? ha maybe they should wear a hat and jacket too This is camp where we run around and play sports couple hours a day This is definitely a terrible terrible issue that needs to be dealt with immediately, I mean look at all the thousands of people that have gone to camp through the years! just terrible! Keep your kids in the city to learn dance. Maybe that will help them come out of the summer with new friends and grow in yiddishkeit… Read more »
although you may have a point, most directors only pick chassideshe girls who they know they can trust to lead the kids rightly. although sometimes it happens that there is someone who is a bit “off”, it really doesn’t influence the campers, not usaully. the real problem is the childes bunk mates, who may be modern and show that you childs way of life is boring, or lame. then the child gets influences. DON’T BLAME COUNSELORS AND DIRECTORS THAT SPEND MONTHS TRYING TO MAKE CAMP FUN FOR YOUR CHILD!
i agree! go camp PC!
Having been a camper for 5 years and a counselor for 3 i can definitely say many of my fondest memories and most amazing experiences have come from camp!
I have been a camper for 6 years and then a staff member for 5 (never a head staff member) and I don’t agree with you at all. I don’t know if you know children or not but they definitely cant learn a whole day for 12 months straight which is why we have this thing called “camp” for 2 months in the summer which mixes together learning half day and sports and trips the other half. 1) Its 3-400 kids and something like 150 staff maybe more. 2) The head staff are always very chassidish and very mature guys… Read more »
My kids have had nothing but positive experiences in camp (CGI montreal). They have had very chassidishe counselors, who go to the effort to keep in touch with them and even call them every erev yom tov. I think the acceptance and enthusiasm that our kids get a camp will help keep them on the derech.One of my son’s who has learning issues has problems in yeshiva. But in camp it is not an issue. No one in camp is destroying his self-esteem. There are definitely also very experienced caring camp directors out there too. They are overseeing the big… Read more »
What???????????? Maybe twenty years ago. Having been a camper, staff member, and head staff member, in Montreal, I can only talk for that camp. Firstly the head staff are always at least one year after shlichus, I.E. 22 and up. 2) They are hand picked. (if you go back look at all the head staff for the last ten years I would bet 90% plus are eitther on Shlichus or in Chinuch. 3) Rabbi Yisroel Mochkin, Is as good a manager I have ever seen, he is on top of everything that is going on while given full control to… Read more »
PURPLE PANTS?
Your article is unfortunately very true and we should do ourselves a favor and stop resisting change… Even for those that say that it’s not as bad as the author claims or it’s even good, don’t we preach “as gut iz gut, iz besser nisht besser”!
Are you normal? Do you want your kids to be shackled in yeshiva 365 days a year? All children need to have a good time in a healthy constructive atmosphere which is exactly what going to camp is!!!!! It is a place to express your athleticism and talents and feel united and proud to be a jew while having a great time!! What is wrong with you? They daven and learn less in camp, thats why its camp, they are still learning and growing while enjoying their lives a little bit more than the usual difficult daily grind. Dont our… Read more »
the writer indicates that he has seen the above in boys camps and assumes that this takes place in girls camps. Why the assumption? I have been a camper and counselor at Camp Pardas Chanah for quite a bunch of years. These summers have molded my life to what a chassidishe girl is supposed to be. The camp is well run, the campers are cared for, and I know for a fact that the directors are not in it for the money. They truly care about every camper to the extent that the director meet to discuss each child mid… Read more »
i work with misifta kids from all background that have been to all types of camps, and i can tell you that could be camps maybe a problem but its not because of the staff, rather you can have one or to who corrupt an entire bunk. wherever there is lots of kedush there is also klipa. its not anyone’s fault, that’s the world we live in, its called galus there is so much chayos for kedush gained out of camp. And btw staff do stay in touch throughout the year giving them someone to look up to and instill… Read more »
While many of the points mentioned in this article are true, they certainly don’t apply to Pardes Chana. I was there as a camper, counselor and head staff member. Mrs. Gurarie is incredible! She has a meeting with each one of the counselors weekly to discuss the children in the bunk and how they are progressing. The staff has professional training in how to be counsleors and how to work with groups. All of the activities are guided by her and the camp Rabbi. The atmosphere is an extremely positive one- for both the campers and staff memebers!
I have been to camp 6 years as a kid, 3 years as staff and one year head counsellor in day camp. The amount of falisifed facts in this article is riducles. I dont even know were to start. My anger grew as i continued reading this article. This article should be taken down. Just a bunch of lies. I have nbo words to begin to answer this person.
Disgusting
i ahve bin a counsler in camp for 3 years yes there are some counslers as you said but many counslers are totslly not like that
i can speak for my self and i am sure that many parents can say the same that i call my campers constanly and kids take major hachlatos doing from negel vaser to chitas and ven some rambam so camp does have a great and mojor effect for the good especially kids of shluchim who dont have any yidishkeit the whole year
my little brother has been a counselor in all the big name lubavitch camps, he’s a VERY chassidishe bochur and every kid that meets him…loves him
terribly untrue to say counselors are not the “chassidishe” bochurim…
seriously? this is a classic chabad style satire..! dude join the mendy pellin crew they might consider hiring u. Camp is what keeps our kids going in our very well constructed and structured schools.
Parents pay thousands of dollars for this!!!!!
http://www.shluchim.org/main/inside_v2.asp?id=40491
but VERY TRUE!!!
sadly. it is.
innocent kids come to camp and become very educated.
There is a lot of truth to the article.
I know. A lot of it happened to me.
I disagree that children’s Yiddishkeit is adversely affected: not only is their Yiddishkeit not at risk, I think the Yeshivas can learn from overnight camps to instill a love for Yidishkeit into the kids. Camps do that extremely well, I find. However, there is an issue with lack of safety and health awareness. My son was forced to go to homes of local goyim in the country and CLEAN THEIR TOILIETS!! (hello?!) and other nonsensical dangerous things as part of a SCAVENGER HUNT in Camp. There are real health and safety concerns where young counselors do not have any first… Read more »
i think that camps would be more eichusdik, and more fun, if they are cut down to amonth. or even 6 weeks. 8 weeks is unreal. its all boils down to the teachers. they want to have 10 weeks of. and the schools even pay them to sit in the bungalows. so its not a money thing that makes OT shut down for 10 weeks. take israel for example, 3 weeks vacation, 2 weeks out of those 3 is camp. no wonder that they can read and learn by themselves by the time they are 17… camp is a great… Read more »
The writer may be a failing teacher so he blames the camps. Maybe there are such camps but it’s not fair and right to generalize. That’s also not Chasiddish from your part!. It seems like you are ready to open another camp, so you are looking for a good excuse to compete by knocking and criticizing others. There is always room for improvement but I know how careful they are in accepting staff for camp Gan Yisroel in NY and enhance the learning program every year with great programs. Ask the guests who visit camp what they have to say.… Read more »
but depends witch camp and its a little exagerated
You made true points.
But you painted with a wide brush.
You made extreme statements.
The natural response to an extreme is the opposite extreme.
I’m sure 80% of the comments that will be posted will be arguing with you.
Because you made your point through EXTREME statements.
If you would have presented camp in a more accurate way, and highlighted the problems I think your op-ed would be a lot more persuasive.
I look forward to reading your next piece.
I agree with a lot of the disagreeing comments, but there is truth that many children go down beruchnius during the summer and that the schools have to work hard to pick them back up again. I do not think the staff are fully to blame, because they themselves are great chassidish guys, but I think it is the inevitable of being with children from other places that have grown up with different values. The staff should perhaps put more effort in to maintaining the eidelkeit of the children.
wow camp has to be one of the most incredible memories for many children. Even the rebbe pushed the importance of it. Why would you be knocking those boys and girls who over all give an amazing amount to love, kindness and patience to our children. you may think these counslors are not chassidish but I was a counslor every summer from ninth grade up and a head counslor post seminary. I only hope my kids will I”Yh have the zechus to work and have such experiences!
Not EVERYTHING in this article apply to EVERY camp out there. But there are things that many camps have many of those problems. By reading this article, you will now become more conscious and aware of these problems if you or your child attend such a camp, and can better make the right choices.
Wishing you all (until now) ignorant people good luck:)
I agree. The counselors walk around untucked all day long, adding to the spirit of shlumpiness that prevails in Crown Heights. The best solution would be to offer our children another option of staying in the city. Art classes, expressive dance lessons, and other forms of real exercise (I do not consider baseball to be exercise, especially if your son is never picked for a team) such as gymnastics, would be a welcome change for our children. I have spoken to many Mashpiim who suggest that such programming would be healthy for our children, both boys and girls, in mind… Read more »
It seems the author of the article is not in this world…maybe your child had a bad experiance, but 95% of children gain much more in camp in a short few weeks than an entire year.
As well, every camp is different. I have sent my children to many different camps. Clearly Detroit is a much better camp, where sports is secondary to chassidishkeit and the staff are all chassidishe bochrim going there because their hanhalos told them that their shlichus is to make the campers into chassidim.
The best camp is detroit!!
my son has been having weekly melava malka, through the year with his counselor and bunk mates, it is the most influential time he has had so far
for 1980. things have changed and camps have changed for the better. but i agree that the educational techniques should be updated as well, like not treating the kids as if they were in the army. this was not the Rebbe’s derech in education, to tell a kid to run around the camp at night as a punishment. Otherwise, the camps are doing a great job, the cool counselors are also chassidish, so that is better education teaching them that you can be cool and chassidish, it is not a setirah.
i went to camp twice and both of the times they were my most spiritually driven two months of the year where i actually cared and today i am not religous at all, but im not here to point fingers im not religous because i dont want to be but if i were to “blame” someone for it i rejected the religion not because the camps rejected me and showed me a bad “derech” but because the yeshiva system saw me as a burden that did not fit in the cookie cutter that they have created and when i went… Read more »
burdening parents with large famalies to come up with these monsterous expenses that are charged for campers.
Why do we need to have 10 weeks of no school between end of June to end of August isn’t 4 weeks enough?
Been there as a camper and counsellor… you can’t imagine the amount of ’emotional, physical, spiritual and mental safety’ training the dedicated counsellors go through. And they’re all top notch chassidishe girls.
Why is it that in speaking with every staffer, director, etc. for Lubavitch camps, is the fact that there is NO STAFF TRAINING! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! NO SAFETY TRAINING? NO STANDARDS FOR STAFF BEHAVIOR? JUST A FARBRENGEN BEFORE?!!?!?! WTFLIP!? Every camp outside lubavitch has tremendous credibility, and wisdom largely due to staff training… Its critical to: 1. Set expectations, and tone with staff 2. Give appropriate time for preparations, which increase level of programming and the par for which they are run 3. Brief counselors on their campers! Give them time to know what to expect, any potential issues,… Read more »
The writer brings to light a problem of chabad in general. We don’t teach Middos and in camp for sure not!Yes some schools are begining to teach this but thats only the new ones.Thanks for your true words!
I have been in camps for years and i can tell you that most of this is pure LIES!!
it is true that a child can pick up negative influences in camp but that is almost always from fellow campers.
kids receive in camp a chassidishe feeling that they wouldn’t get almost ANYWHERE else.
and BTW years ago camp used to be a lot crazier and today’s shluchim and anash didn’t turn out to bad!
The writer of this article seems to be filled with pain and negative experiences. What he writes has truth and validity but it is grossly exaggerated.
Besides he write nothing of camps like Detroit and Montreal.
A) “Three hundred children in the hands of a person who is not yet ready to have children of his/her own.” What? Bochurim (and i assume the girsl as well) at this age have been head staff and have proven very capable for the job, and anyway it’s not 1 vs 300 there are the counselors and learning teacheers…. B) A proper camp director is more involved than you think or are aware of in all the daily activities and happenings in camp C) “The most important goal every staff member is told: Make sure the kids have a good… Read more »
My 17 year old son can’t wait to be a counselor this summer. He loved camp as a kid and can’t wait to provide the same kind of fun for his campers. My son is plenty chassidishe. He currently goes to the top-rated mesivta in the country. And just because he chooses to provide a clean, wholesome, chassidishe summer experience for younger boys, doesn’t mean he isn’t a serious bochur. We learn from the children and that is the kind of kid he is. As he teaches his campers, he will learn from them, too. Some of your points are… Read more »
Is this article a joke? So ridiculous.
The bullying that goes on is also very damaging to kids. Perhaps it is because of the demeaning manner the head staff and other counselors display to the campers. The “making an example” public punishments and more. The victims then go and bully the weaker ones around them.
Everything has its maalos & chesronos – schools & camps are not perfect. I find in the summer kids tend to loose there enthusiasm for davening, learning etc. Camp gives them an added Chayus for davening, the Rebbe, learning etc. They are in a Chasidishe enviroment 24/7 – my son gained a lot after spending his summer in Camp Gan Yisroel NY – It gave him lots of Chayus to continue to do well & grow as a chosid.
This is nonsense
I can’t believe that this thing would even be posted you have no idea what you’re talking about you have no idea how many children learn more in Camp then the whole year in class because no one cares about them and the head counselor from all the camps are only but the best chabad has to offer so just stop with the blame
Over the top. There are actually very chassidish bochurim who go to camp as conselors. Evidently you aren’t totally with the current program or you would know that. Also the head staff tend to be pretty chassidish guys, just look at some who are going this year. So instead of painting are general pisture of all camps, perhaps say which camp you experienced such carelessness so they can know to shape up. With blessing that your criticism should result in positive change ( whether your right or wrong about it… It can still use fixing)