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The Problem With Beis Din

An op-ed in the Huffington Post brings the 'Crown Heights Din Torah' ruled by Monsey Dayan Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg why there's a "need for a Rabbinical Court of Appeals." Full Story

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RABBI BROUN IS ELECTED!!!
August 24, 2012 11:53 am

It is wrong to start machlokis after election.

מפרסמין את החנפין
August 24, 2012 10:54 am

מפרסמין את החנפין מפני חילול השם (יומא, פו, ע’ב), רשי: שהן רשעים ומראין עצמן כצדיקים אם יש מכיר במעשיו מצוה לפרסמו מפני חילול השם. י

yossi a
August 24, 2012 10:18 am

lETS START FROM SCRACH. BH LAST WEEK WE WERE ZOCHE TO HAVE 4 NEW lUBAVITHER RABONIM. LETS HAVE NEW ELECTIONS PERIOD

They should all resign
August 24, 2012 8:20 am

All the current Rabbonim should resign and recuse themslves from further dealings with the community. There should be completely new elections and then maybe people will actually care about what the Rabbonim have to say.

zabla is over rated
August 24, 2012 12:51 am

IMHO, the problem in CH started with zabla. Most people think the only way they will get a fair din torah is with zabla. When u choose one rov, he is naturally going to find every which way to protect you interests. this leads to endless hearings, meetings and drei kopping. The rabbonim will follow sh”a, but will spend endless time (and your money) to prove your point. A far better way is to find a neutral bais din, such a machon l’hoirah in monsey, or the lakewood bd, that have no personal agenda in CH, and have them hear… Read more »

to 16 "would the Rebbe approve this"
August 24, 2012 12:25 am

The Rebbe, Protected and empowered the Rabbonim in public, Shabbos by a farbreingen, at 2 ocassions, once referring to all 3 Rabbonim, the second time he Protected & empowered Rabbi Osdoba, both times he used the famous words “Abir shebeAbirim” , the second time when he spoke about Rabbi Osdoba, he even used the famous fraze ” afilu omer lcho al Yemin shehu Small” …… do you have anything else to say??

Chilul Hashem to publish this in secular press!
August 23, 2012 11:56 pm

I cannot believe that a frum yid goes and publishes such an article in the secular press. It is very similar to going to “arka’ois”. It is a Chilul Hashem.

Well written
August 23, 2012 11:51 pm

Many botei din are very corrupt and their psak is not only stupid but against halacha.This causes the litigants to end up in court.There the judge sees how corrupt the Beis Din is. A true Chillul Hashem

let the truth out
August 23, 2012 11:48 pm

why is everybody missing the points, the system in the US is corrupt, and he is the only one who has the guts to say it.

mandatory watching
August 23, 2012 7:47 pm

everyone should watch/listen to this shiur on this weeks parsha from R YY Jacobson
http://theyeshiva.net/Video/View/111/The-Tragedy-of-Strife

al pi halocho
August 23, 2012 7:28 pm

you start by quoting verse. but then you ignore, a poshute halocho, that there is no such thing as an appeal in dinei torah. you do not like it fine. but do not lean on the torah for support.

thank you
August 23, 2012 7:22 pm

i dont think we believe in ppl, even great leaders, of being infallible

Yaacov, would the Rebbe approve this to be published in HF??
August 23, 2012 6:42 pm

Please think about it HONESTLY!
What was done is over but please don’t do that type of article in the future, Sofek Chilulk Hashemis Vaday posul. Ask Rabbi Krinsky, how careful the Rebbe was With LNS or anything published!

a good article from the Huffington post?
August 23, 2012 6:11 pm

In general shockingly it is a good article The Rabbonim who ruled such never explained why. Al pi Halacha if asked they have to give a litigant the reasons behind the Psak. Rosenberg took his money & ran. The real question here is in this case these Rabbonim are our Rabbonim & they created this mess & have thus far refused to answer. there needs to be A super Bais din if you will of Senior Rabbonim where appeals can be heard. In the times of the Bais hamikdosh there was always the big Sanhedrin of 71 to turn to.… Read more »

A shanda!
August 23, 2012 5:57 pm

Now we are being huffed upon in the Huffington Post. Will our shanda ever end?!

the visionary
August 23, 2012 5:50 pm

we try to respect these rabbis , they simply refuse to let us, they argue amongst themselves like children , heaven help us and our families

huh what!?!?
August 23, 2012 5:47 pm

#1 publishing on huff post to accomplish what ?

I count 6 paragraphs here devoted to attacking a Dayan etc.. in an issue that is purely political (from where does the author take shochad?!?)

And ends this article lamenting the plight of a poor widow and the tzadik of rimanov… all twisted together in the name of a miscarriage of justice..

PURELY based on the authors political feelings..

Avos chapter 5, dever ba l’olam.. al anuy hadin, v’al avus hadin.. v’hamorim torah shelo k’halacha…

I dont live in CH thank g-d but you just made a mockery of halacha IMHO

To number 4
August 23, 2012 5:15 pm

There is in fact a Rabbinical appeals court system in Israel. Rabbi Rosenberg refused to continue to judge the case as he saw all the problems involved. Either make new elections or ask the new Rav to resign is the only way Crown Heights will be able to get back on its feet.

The sore losers are at it again
August 23, 2012 5:14 pm

They had a zabloh, the fairest way to judge a case , and they lost . Now they want to undo the entire case as though it never happened. This is what Rashi meant when he said “the Jewish people in the desert wanted more judges so that if they wouldn’t get a favorable decision with one, they can always go find another. Also, they were Matriach the judges, so when they saw that were losing, they would come up with all types of arguments just to prolong the case. I also dont see how they can appeal a legally… Read more »

SAM
August 23, 2012 5:08 pm

To 3.

The beis cost 190,000 plus other fees lawyers, advertising, etc …the whole back and fourth cost in the hundreds of thousands

Frank
August 23, 2012 5:04 pm

1. It looks like it’s written for a Jewish crowd, but was published on a non-Jewish website.

2. Why are you bringing this up now? Are you trying to keep the issue alive? Let the Baalei Machlokes fight it out themselves!

3. Why in a non-Jewish website? It’s a Chilul Hashem to do so. (Even if you believe the people involved in the machlokes are creating a Chilul Hashem, you are adding to it).

4. Do you get extra points for getting an article in Huffington Post? They let anyone with an ax to grind against religion publish articles!

Pinchos Woolstone
August 23, 2012 4:46 pm

This sorry state of affair will “bleed” on for ever.
The era of a united Beis Din in Crown Heights is over.
Woe unto us that the Rebbe z y’a has to look down on this from on high.
So many now choose to approach other Botei Din where there is structure and unanimity of approach.

Thanks
August 23, 2012 4:44 pm

COL for posting it and Reb Yaakov is always right on the money!!!!!!

ELUL
August 23, 2012 4:43 pm

please stop this!

Dayon
August 23, 2012 4:41 pm

wrong approach while nobody claims that the Dayonim on a Beis Din are always fit for the job nevertheless the whole idea of an appeals court is not sanctioned by Torah

Yossele
August 23, 2012 4:27 pm

Lot of misinformation here. The din torah did not cost “hundreds of thousands of dollars…”

well said
August 23, 2012 4:22 pm
New Elections
August 23, 2012 4:17 pm

Refund of rosenbergs money , Mekach Taos

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