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re 9
February 7, 2012 9:49 pm

In your Op-Ed please include references sources
Otherwise its not miskabel

agree 100% with 9 and with 25
February 7, 2012 5:04 pm

It sad if instead of learning from the books people get their learning from comments on a site

so sad that # 9 is even needed
February 6, 2012 11:52 pm

ppl should by now already have learnt waht there is to know

re 9, 10 11
February 6, 2012 11:45 pm

its nice to see good toichin for a change! thx

#9 said it best
February 6, 2012 7:19 pm

thank you for clarifying what most of us already know!

#9 is correct
February 6, 2012 6:35 pm

thank you!

#9 Yasha koach!
February 6, 2012 4:41 pm

well said ty

9 10 and 11
February 6, 2012 3:56 pm

sounds like shmuel broin big chossid of R yoel very nice happy to see the chevre takeing the middle grond (on the yechi thing “vecholo”)

9, 10, 11, @ 14
February 6, 2012 11:59 am

please clarify what exactly your question is… “Now just 1 minor detail…….The saying YECHI bit…..” please elaborate on what your question is? a) in general, a little known fact, that the Rebbe openly encouraged YECHI weeks before the stroke! (video available by WLCC) b) the proclamation is certainly most appropriate in an environment where the by standers are knowledgeable of its valid basis in Torah/Chasidus otherwise i refer you back to my first post: 9. Yet, Just because its True or Allowed, does NOT make It appropriate to advertise this belief (first thing) to someone who is NOT already of… Read more »

VERY WELL PUT! #9 10 &11
February 6, 2012 11:47 am

you are gifted to be able to capture soo much Hashkafah in soo few words,

i agree with the comments that this should be polished up and submitted as an OP-ED for the sake of the public

what a waste of time
February 6, 2012 11:43 am

i have wasted time reading lots-of-words-that-said-nothing many time before on the internet (and also on this site), but i do not recall such a complete waste of time.
why did you publish this? what was the message? and how in the world it made it in the “most read”?!?

To #9... and 15
February 5, 2012 11:34 pm

To the author of 9, 10, 11: Yasher Koach! Well said. To #15: You don’t seem to get the point of the criticism of the sticking in the word “divinity”. It is worse precisely in a article like this, which is on another topic altogether. It as if it is simply a fact that does not even need explaining. It’s like someone saying, “So I walked into a store, and the store owner, Mr. So-and-so, who is a murderer, said to me, we are having a sale on pampers”. If at that point you don’t say, “hold it! What was… Read more »

THE LETZER DOR SAYS ....NOW WE NEED PROTECTION AGAINST MESHICHISTIM????
February 5, 2012 7:55 pm

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY HERE……..GROW UP ALL OF YOU…THE DIVINITY THING IS ‘NOT THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE’….

9,10,11
February 5, 2012 5:00 pm

thank- you!! thank-you!! finally!! This is what i was always taught! Now just 1 minor detail…….The saying YECHI bit…..

Bravo!! Bravo! to #9 #10 #11
February 5, 2012 4:07 pm

u should write this up as an OP-ED
…..
there are many people who would appreciate a well presented distinction between the handful of crazies & the rest of chabad chasidim

Yisroel
February 5, 2012 3:45 pm

How about what he does for the unfortunate children whos parents cannot pay tuitions and they end up on the streets?
He is a true Ohev Yisroel, Smo Milsa hu

part #3
February 5, 2012 3:27 pm

it does much damage to not inform the public re the difference between a legitimate well educated belief and the small number of anarchists who tarnish the masses, because to few of us take the time to clarify the difference!

Hachlata

lets heed the Rebbe’s call & study the topic!!

part #2
February 5, 2012 3:24 pm

7. The Rebbeh is still Nassi Hador, & is thus Still Goel Hador, 8. As Reb Yoel put it best, Halacha allows this belief & Sichos nun-alef-nun-beis force this belief! 9. Yet, Just because its True or Allowed, does NOT make It appropriate to advertise this belief (first thing) to someone who is NOT already of this belief, to someone who is NOT already knowledgable in Torah Sources that permit this belief 10. to prematurely push this belief, can Ch”V Turn off people from learning Chasidus-Chabad etc etc Our real Goal as chasidim is Spreading Chasidus NOT who moshiach is!… Read more »

this summs up the mainstream "messianist" view of the Rebbe
February 5, 2012 3:16 pm

the vast majority of “mainstream” chabad believe this sensible approach: On all matters of Halacha and Hashkafa we must follow Rabbonei Chabad. The following (civilized) Rabbis are of the same belief as 95%of chabad arround the world, simply put, re All matters of The Rebbe visavi Moshiach etc A yid, needs to consult Torah Sources, & NOT to form opinions based on feelings or wishes or comfort… or public approval.. 1. Many Torah sources in “Niglah” EXPLICITLY ALLOW the belief for “Moshiach to be Nisgalah, Niskasa, chozer Vnisglala, aka for the Rebbe to still return as Moshiach 2. Many sources… Read more »

shemtov
February 5, 2012 2:15 pm

i witsh they would also write what he dose now from our comuinty. say a car is getting towed Whos the first1 to be there and pay his tikets so to save the tow fee??. is some1 is arested for a invalid license i can go on and on. are we going to wait 20 more years to have some 1 write this?

"divinity"
February 5, 2012 12:08 pm

This is libel, plain and simple! Do not defend this author and the Forward. To say that the author just described it “from his perspective” or that he was allegedly lied to is no excuse! The author, whether intentionally or unintentionally (without proper fact checking) characterized Jews as ovday avodah zara. This is vile and inexcusable! In response to #5, perhaps rather than assuming that “fellow lubavs lied to this person” (and I find it hard to believe that any Lubavitcher would tell this to an author or to the press) maybe, just maybe it’s the hanhagos of the meshicistim… Read more »

to 4
February 5, 2012 9:13 am

Reporters say it like they see it. He described how the office looked, water damaged roof and all, as he saw it. He also described the yellow flag from his perspective. If you don’t like the information he’s passing on then you’ll (as in lubavitch) have to do a better pr job in the first place.

To #4
February 4, 2012 11:43 pm

It’s not the Foward that is lying; it’s fellow lubavs who lie to this person – saying how meshichist believe in this

The great libel
February 4, 2012 11:12 pm

“— believers in the divinity of…”

Wow, note how this vicious, cruel lie is inserted into an otherwise ok article! This is absolutely disgusting and defamatory to all of us. I hope someone can bring this up to the editor of the forward. I mean, there aught to be a limit on how baseless a lie can be before it is published as fact!

CHT
February 4, 2012 9:39 pm

What happened to Shem tov store?

editor
February 4, 2012 7:57 pm

scratch the ‘divinity’ reference to mishichistim, we don’t care what he wrote, accuracy to his article is not important here.

what ever is said about israel shem tov......
February 4, 2012 12:16 pm

will cover just a small piece of the story. i rode with the red devil during the hot summer months of july and august. levi-itzock shapiro ah was our base commander and israel shem tov was our point man. i remember sitting in the alley in back of sabsi gordon’s house along with doc rosen when the code went out robbery in progress.there must have been 6 or more cars on the same spot within 2 minutes.of course the red devil was the first one there.

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