Op-ed: Yitzchok Wagshul
With elections for a new Vaad Hakahal successfully behind us, I think our community should take a moment to reflect on our accomplishment, and to congratulate ourselves on a job well done.
The idea for these elections—as mandated in the recent psak din that resolved all outstanding community disputes—was that we should have a Vaad Hakahal universally accepted by all segments of the community. As in any election, there will always be some people disappointed by the results, but—since virtually every eligible voter in Crown Heights participated—there can be no doubt that those results are the legitimate will of the people. True, “the people” aren’t always perfect; there’s always the possibility of winding up with an outcome that is less than objectively ideal. But democracy is the best system we have, and it was endorsed by the Rebbe, so, once a valid election has been held, we can all feel good about the results. It’s part of the system that, if things don’t turn out as expected, there will be another election in a few years and we will be able to choose again.
That last point is not the case with respect to our Beis Din. As confirmed by the psak din, once a rov is elected to the Beis Din of Crown Heights, it is a lifetime position. Therefore, I think it’s appropriate—indeed, it is necessary—that we now turn our attention to the upcoming election for a third rov.
A Beis Din is supposed to have an odd number of members, precisely because it is a Torah principle that majority rules. The psak din addressed the issue of the unfortunate deadlock on our Beis Din by decreeing that there be an election for a third rov to join Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei as an active member of the Beis Din of Crown Heights. That election is a scant two months away (it is scheduled for the Sunday before this coming Rosh Hashana), and we must give ourselves enough time to learn who the candidates are; to learn all we can about each of them; to listen to, consider, question, and debate all the various things different parties are inevitably going to say about them; and, finally, to arrive at election day fully informed about the candidates and the issues, with a well-reasoned opinion of our own guiding our choice.
We’ve never seemed to do it that way in Crown Heights. In many ways, this community is politically immature; it is a sociological fact that we are only now transitioning from the insular, Russian mentality of the neighborhood’s “early settlers,” if you will, to the more open, empowered, modern mindset of those people’s American children and grandchildren. Generational shifts like this take time, but we are just about there now, and—at least insofar as it affects the way we conduct elections—that’s a good thing.
In Crown Heights, elections (including the most recent one) have usually gone like this: anyone who is considering running keeps that a closely guarded secret until the very last instant. Then, just as the deadline to announce one’s candidacy is expiring, a bunch of people come out of the woodwork and declare themselves. With the exception of one inadequate (candidates are allowed to speak for five minutes—big deal) “candidates’ forum,” we don’t hear another peep out of, or about, any of them until literally a day or two before election day. Then, we are inundated with flyers under our doors (and, in recent years, internet posts): “Don’t vote for X because he sacrifices to idols.” “Don’t vote for Y because he commits adultery” (don’t kid yourselves: there really was such an accusation in a Crown Heights election). Don’t vote for Z because he [any other outrageous thing some irresponsible fool can dream up].”
These charges are then countered by more flyers: “Actually, no, our candidate doesn’t sacrifice to idols. But, sadly, and contrary to our usually reserved, mature, natures, it has now become our solemn obligation to inform you of the true nature of their candidate, who…Kidnaps! Murders! Informs!”
Yes, it’s absurd, and yes, it would all be very amusing—if it weren’t the way we have actually been running our community. So let’s stop this. The real problem with this bad old way of doing things is that people have no idea whom to believe, and have absolutely no time to investigate what all those flyers and internet posts are talking about. Whenever I talk about this (and I’ve been advocating a longer election cycle for years) people say, “starting to campaign earlier would only prolong the machlokes.” But you know what? That is exactly what we need: to prolong the “machlokes”—the debate, in good faith, about the issues. Yes! That is precisely what we do need! We now have the most important election of all looming before us—the election to complete our Beis Din. Let’s do it right for a change.
You may think it doesn’t matter this time; you may think an election for rov will not be as politically charged as the Vaad Hakahal elections. Don’t be so naïve. The fact is that much of the strife (r”l) in our community has its roots in the division on the Beis Din. The recent psak din, which addressed all major community disputes, used the language “Rabbi Osdoba’s side” and “Rabbi Schwei’s side” when referring to the parties to all these controversies. No doubt, the rabbonim themselves base their positions on Torah principles of Halacha and public policy. Unfortunately, they disagree, and there has arisen a whole host of partisans claiming to justify their political positions based on those disagreements. The key to shalom in Crown Heights is for the elected third rov to be truly neutral as to all those partisan squabbles, joining the two sitting rabbonim in basing his decisions exclusively on Halacha and Torah policy, inevitably sometimes siding with Rabbi Osdoba and sometimes with Rabbi Schwei. Then, the Torah principle that “majority rules” will yield psakim from the Beis Din of Crown Heights that we can all accept as our Beis Din’s united ruling.
Let us not allow partisans to contaminate the coming “race for the Rabbinate” with last-minute, impossible to verify, claims about the candidates. According to the psak din, the Beis Din election is to be conducted—technically—by the same bipartisan, six-member election committee that conducted the Vaad Hakahal election, but, unlike in that election, this time the election committee will have no say in vetting candidates. Instead, any candidate must be automatically accepted by the election committee if he:
1) Has semicha for rabbonus;
2) Is married;
3) Is over forty years of age;
4) Is prepared to serve as a full-time rov if elected;
5) Is a resident of Crown Heights or commits himself to move here if elected; and
6) Obtains written confirmation from either Rabbi Osdoba or Rabbi Schwei that he is fit to be a rov.
The last day to submit one’s candidacy to the election committee is Friday, August 6. Within one week of that date—in other words, no later than Friday, August 13—the election committee is to publicize the list of candidates. The election is to take place three weeks later, on Sunday, September 5.
In light of all the above, I appeal to all concerned—not only the members of the election committee and the new Vaad Hakahal, whose roles are limited in this regard, but especially to the potential candidates, their supporters, and anyone interested in soliciting them, as well as to the voters themselves—to do the following:
1) Immediately begin or continue the search for qualified candidates, so that, by the deadline of August 6—just four weeks away—the community will have the broadest and best field to choose from.
2) Voters should immediately begin or continue thinking about the issues. Who would make a good rov for Crown Heights and why? What has been going on over the past several years with respect to our Beis Din, and how has that affected other areas? If you don’t already know these things, or if you are unsure, now is the time to start asking around and soliciting opinions and information from those you trust. If you hear names of possible candidates bandied about, see what you can find out about them while you still have plenty of time to do so.
3) Theoretically, there is nothing to prevent a potential candidate from announcing and beginning to campaign even now, but if candidates are afraid to expose themselves to the rigors of a campaign until all contenders are known, at least let them—and, perhaps more importantly, their supporters—use this time privately preparing their strategies and materials.
4) In real life, no one is likely to announce before the deadline, so the most important thing is this: AS SOON AS THE LIST OF CANDIDATES IS MADE PUBLIC, BY AUGUST 13—LET THE CAMPAIGN BEGIN! Anyone who has anything to say about the candidates or the campaign should prepare now to release their comments then. That will give the community three full weeks to absorb it all, to digest it, to reach an informed decision. Three weeks is still not a long time for such a crucial and possibly complex campaign, but it’s all we have: let’s make full use of it!
I’ll repeat that final point, because, to tell the truth, I could have left out everything else I’ve just written and this article would still say the same thing. It is my entire point, plain and simple: out of respect for our intelligence and our right to full and adequate information, campaigning must begin three full weeks before the election. Under no circumstances should we accept another last-minute campaign.
We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children, and we owe it to our community to use our votes wisely and with full knowledge of all relevant issues, and we must demand—given the importance of this election and the lifetime nature of the result—that we not be deprived of the opportunity to do so by a one- or two-day campaign.
–Yitzchok Wagshul
Thank you so much for your encouragement.
Unfortunately, publishing these maamarim takes money (even on the internet, because of the time involved), and that is the problem. If you know of anyone who wants to help support the project, please let me know!
Best regards,
–Yitzchok Wagshul
The issue of women’s not voting in community elections, as I learned it anyway, is TZNIUS. It would not be tzniusdig for male candidates to even think of campaigning to women to receive their votes. Tznius is the bedrock of Torah life — if we lose that, we begin to slide down a slippery slope, as we all know. So while it may not sit well with some of us women that we can’t vote, let’s all realize that ultimately it’s for the good of our families and community. As for wanting a Rav you’re comfortable with for asking your… Read more »
you are making a big mistake. the elections where woman were permitted to vote was after gimel tammuz, the people who caused that elections would not have the chutzpa to do it before gimmel tamuz. I personely know who the people were.
rabbi chaikin from cleavland should be the third rov. he is such a mentch!!
R’ Yitchok
Actually as u r reading these blogs, the reading public of http://www.likuteitorah.com would luv if u added more content on ur site. Could I be as bold as to suggest another round of Parsheyos of LT.
It has been a real useful addition to learning
rabbi lifshits from cincinnati is a gr8 candidate for a rav maby somone should look him up and try and convince him
You just wrote a whole op-ed that was practically asking for more slander and Machloikes, but when it happens to you all of a sudden you say ‘what a shame’ ‘you are the communities probleom’!
Mr Wagshul YOU are part of the problem.
It was decided with the first elections that women would not be eligible to vote, as well as men under a certain age who were as yet unmarried. This was presumably with the Rebbe’s agreement. The Rambam says that women cannot serve serve in leadership positions. At the start of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, a number of Rabbanim did not allow women to vote.
you are nuts
I see that people are still posting to this item, so I would like to re-post an earlier response that, apparently, never made it onto the site: What a shame, what a shame. Fools like you–people of unaccountable hostility and ill-will toward even the most unobjectionable of others–are precisely who are at the root of our community’s problems; precisely the perpetrators of the last-minute “pashkvillin” I wrote about. My writing–in the present op-ed; in the recent Crown Heights Chronicle editorial (which, I should not have to remind you, was clearly presented as my personal opinion, to which I am every… Read more »
Mazal Tov Mazal Tov… A Binyon Odei Od……whoever comes in, be it a poshite yid rov or a gevaldeke lamedin rov, I just don’t care… we’re all heading to the same direction, like it or lump it, there’s nothing you can do about it. Min HaKarka Od HaKarka…… hello my friends forever.
I think it’s a great idea, look at Rabbi Risenberg, people may not agree with some of his rulings but they respect them because he’s not a meshichist or an anti, he’s not related to this side or brother-in-laws with the other guys uncle.
If you don’t sign your name on an op-ed (or a comment) they call you a cowered but if you do sign – you’re personally attacked.
go figure.
Sadly to say, the only criteria now is: Is the new rav an osdaba man or is he Rabbi’s Schvei’s supporter. No other issue matters. Rabbi Schvei’s people would never vote for Segal because he would not properly evaluate any dispute and listen to both sides to form his own opinion, but would always side 100% with osdaba.
As the only reason people still live in crown heights and didn’t move out in 60’s, is because the Lubavitcher Rebbe gave it the name “kahn tziva hashem es habrachah” and requested they remain, we should try and follow what the Rebbe had to say on the issue of the Crown Height Jewish Community Council election process, I haven’t seen the letter or instructions on how it should be run, but apparently the Rebbe wasn’t for having women vote. Buti would liek to make a suggestion to what can be done, setup a women’s committee and women can vote on… Read more »
How much is the salary?
I have a good candidate for the job
but money talks
Why would anyone agree to run after the methods used in the last election: loshon harah, libels, hate. I am really disgusted.
A wise wife can influence her husband, if she has a strong opinion about an election, or about anything else.
Hashem, in His infinite, beyond-human-seichel-wisdom, gave us the Torah. Sure, there’s plenty of earthly “logic” for having women vote. But we are a people of the Torah.
Na’aseh v’nishmah.
I agree, it should be someone from outside Crown Heights and maybe even i non Lubavitcher. (although I think Rabbi Levi Garelik is also a great choice)
What about Rav Schusterman in California? He would be an excellent choice.
What is with all this garbage! This is Torah not politics! This was instituted by Torah! See the Rebbe’s summer sichas in 86!
i’m shocked!
Many of these comments are exactly like that many of you forget the main thing who is Lubavitch? The Rebbe is Lubavitch & Lubavitch is the Rebbe that is first & foremost the most important fact! The one election where the women voted for the chjcc/vaad hakahal was not in 1997(5757) it was 9 or 10 years before that in the late Mems.That was only because fisher challenged the legality of the chjcc/vaad hakohal in secular court. Tha one elction was only because of the court case that women had to vote & that was with the full knowledge &… Read more »
it is one vote per household. And it only makes sense that the man go out and represent the household. If the man and the woman of the household are not on the same page, then women voting is not the answer to their issues
“….a Rov of stature, dignity, strength of character and conviction – from somewhere else outside of crown heights.
We need a man who is above partisan politics, the type of person who the mere sight of him commands respect, a man of the time’s who holds on to the tradition of our ancestors with an unyielding grip.”
You sound like you are describing my Rav – Rabbi Dovid Schochet, Toronto.
Why do you want to quash debate, here is an opportunity for a Rov to explain why women can’t vote, because perhaps, (and unfortunately), more people read website articles than ask Rabbonim their Shaylos.
So if a Rov, or anybody who knows Halochoh can write where it says that women are not allowed to vote that would be appreciated.
וְאַתָּה תֶחֱזֶה מִכָּל הָעָם אַנְשֵׁי חַיִל יִרְאֵי אֱ־לֹהִים אַנְשֵׁי אֱמֶת שֹׂנְאֵי בָצַע
I didn’t read one of the comments, why?
There are no signatures.
Which means…
Either the writer is not proud of what they wrote…
or
They’re afraid of repercussions…
which means
They have no courage.
So why read any of them?
You can respond…
bhoffinger@aol.com
He has proved himself as Rov to the smaller, yet diverse Monsey community. Perhaps someone could persuade him to help us downstaters.
i vote for doc from crown st/maple st for rov
he is a dayon
Quote: “We are only now transitioning from the insular, Russian mentality of the neighborhood’s “early settlers,” if you will, to the more open, empowered, modern mindset of those people’s American children and grandchildren.” I would word it: “We are only now transitioning from the old ways of war and strife, to the mature and Jewish way of real Ahavas Yisroel and understanding that we can respect one another despite our differences in opinion.” For 2 reasons: 1. I wish we were like the: “Russian mentality of the neighborhood’s early settlers”, who as it is known had real chassidishe brotherly love… Read more »
This whole thing is to complicated. But we have a clear Horoah from the Rebbe to learn at least in the 3 weeks about the Bais Hamikdash Shaini in Middos and Hilchos Bais Habchira, Yecheskel Bais Shlishi and Give more Tzdoko Tzion Bemishpat Tipode Veshoveho Bitzdoko. To Make Siyumim from Rosh Chodesh Av to the 15th. Also the Rebbe stressed bringing Moshiach thru Ahavas Chinom to rectify the Sinas Chinam that brought the distruction. in 770 (Bais Chayainu) you have shiurim in the above and after Maariv there is a siyum. LikeWise In Empire Shtibel Between Mincha and Maariv there… Read more »
Nachman
I lost any respect for the author after he tried to pretend he was unbiasd and endorsed the outgoing vaad.
Also. I think women should be allowed to vote. Let’s move forward not backwards!!
We already have chosen, without even realizing it, the new Rov. It is Dayan Rosenberg.
He actually is the new Av Beth Din as he calls all the shots (and because he’s a fremdeh, actually gets paid, and well paid at that – kol hakovod to him).
If I may say so – may the rebbe be back by then. Azkir al hatzion.
…you are a man? How did I know? I must have a special talent… or… you just make it too easy. Yes, is it strange that a system for which all the rules were written by men, only men have the power and the authority to make decisions? Men decided that only men should be able to vote and the entire community is supposed to accept it. If it is so obvious that according to chasidus only men should have the right to vote then let the women and the men together decide if women should have voting rights and… Read more »
1. This op-ed assumes that there will be a few candidates. I see none and can think of none. 2. The only one I know, who agreed to have his name on the ballot but would not campaign for it, has now withdrawn that commitment. A commitment to stand up and face the extreme difficulties, only because so much is at stake. For the Ribbono Shel Olam and for all the Rebbeim.. His family, as well as himself, have seen the appalling behavior during the run-off, so that they refuse now to allow him to be on the ballot. He… Read more »
I know this is America, but i dont understand why COLLIVE is posting countless comments lately about woman voting (i suspect that all the comments are from a few individuals commenting again and again). To understand this issue you need to talk with your local chasidishe, competent Rov! not debate it with ignorant people on the web. maybe lets start a debate hare on COLLIVE as to why all Rabbonim are male and not female? Esteemed editor: Recognize the place of this website. it should NOT turn into a forum to debate halachic issues (i believe it instiles falls ideas… Read more »
Do you think that by repeating your comments many times they will become more convincing? 🙂
you are doing a very big disservice to the community.
If you want blame and anecdotes where one of the rabbonim listened to the cronies on his team – then there is (sadly) enough shmuts to go around on both sides, and highlighting them will do no one any good and make both sides look terrible. we need to focus on recruiting and electing an effective, totally neutral 3rd rov.
After that, we need to immediately remove all of the troublemakers on both sides, hire an independent, neutral secretary (mazkir) to work for ALL 3 rabbonim.
Why are you attacking the author of this Op-ed? If you have a problem with his arguments please let’s discuss them. but it is very immature to attack the messenger when you don’t like the message.
Let’s grow up and let us debate IDEAS and not belittle and smear people.
Moshiach Now!
Point 1: We must pick an OLDER rav – in case we aren’t pleased, the lifetime position won’t last that long. Point 2: Does the third rov need to be Lubavitch (or even a chossid)? Anyone can be the third rov – a satmar, a snag, a BT…He doesn’t even need to be a FFB, as long as he – 1) Has semicha for rabbonus; 2) Is married; 3) Is over forty years of age; 4) Is prepared to serve as a full-time rov if elected; 5) Is a resident of Crown Heights or commits himself to move here if… Read more »
Thank you Mr. Waghul. Your point is very important and I sure hope the parties will do what is in the best interest of the people.
I am deeply touched that you took the authors words so deeply to heart, to the extent you couldn’t even wait till August but jumped in straight away!
Why are you attacking the author of this Op-ed? If you have a problem with his arguments please let’s discuss them. but it is very immature to attack the messenger when you don’t like the message.
Let’s grow up and let us debate IDEAS and not belittle and smear people.
Moshiach Now!
Excellent and informative-thank you!
We need a Litveshe Rav like in the old days in the Lubavitch towns. A Litvak will not be beholden to any party here. Choose someone from Lakewood. If you dont like a Litvak choose someone from Satmer. Just dont take anyone from Anash.
I don’t know if he’s running but I wish he would!
Yes, let us fight as long as we have an excuse, an opportunity like this may not come again in a long time.
The Vaad Hakohol elections are over, the Din Torah resolved many issues, and now after this election it may be very hard to find something to fight about, so as the author suggested, let us take this fight to the max!
Nice article, man, Meet you in the ring!
The candidate shouldn’t be related to or have a working relationship with either the present Rabbanim or Vaad Hakahal.
Maybe you can get 2 opposing opinions to write op-eds on this website regarding the womans vote.
Why don’t you post any articles about women voting, to at least open the issue and discuss it so that people can voice their opinions and if there are any women (and I’m sure there are) who feel discriminated against will be able to voice their opinion and maybe understand why they can’t vote
truth, honesty, earnestness, pro-active, well balanced. I pray for this. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. oh, so tired of this.
I lost my entire respect for Wagshul with the latest “special” edition of the CHC. It was one-sided propaganda from beginning till end. He had pages upon pages of paid interviews with only one side, but still considers himself objective.
Only mentions smicha as a critirea a rov must a have shimush leading a community. Perhaps a smaller out of town community but still must of already expirienced rabbonus in reality not just in Sefer otherwise most of CH has smicha
Now that narrows it down abit. Furthermore we could then look at trackrecords to help us as a larger community makethe right choice.
I believe that in 1997 women voted for the Vaad Hakohol elections (as mandated by court order), but if it is against Halochoh, did all the women who voted go against Halocho?
If everybody has a Job , this nonesense would stop !
The Ladikgeyers are looking for attention because they dont fit in with the working class , they want to be noticed , Do Random acts of Good Deeds and bring Moshiach
who can be a middle player
Would somebody address the issue of why women can’t vote?
Why don’t they make the Rov’s term limited like they do with Israels chief Rabbis?
why is that alot of people with their heads full of hot air want to speak and think they know it all
a) mr wagshul ia a person who sold the newspaper “crown heights chronicle” as a tool to elect certain parties both in the last election and in the one before that.
without ever disclosing who paid him to write his one sided newspaper
he thinks we are stupid and writes articles and became a groise dayer zuker
i am surprised that this was even published by this website..
Chanina will emerge as the power of Crown Heights. R. schvei already listens to whatever he or his cronies dictate. Look at the Satmar shiva for proof.
Helllo? Can anyone think of a better choice? Yeah yeah, he doesn’t want the job, but like I said before – who asked him what he wants!
I guess we are holding by an 8th generation, although obviously a subset of the 7th generation, since this generation shares the same Rebbe (Chai VeKayam). Definitely a new generation in Lubavitch though… What do you think are the implications?
what are the choices
BS:d
I have no love for Mr.W as he refused to publish my candidate statement but to number 8 you are an evil person whose revelation abut Mr. W added nothing to the topic, only branded you as a sinner of the highest order and I hope and pray that Hashem Blesses you and your family with only good b;gashmius v’ ruchnius so the bitterness and hatred is erased from your heart and you are busy with good things-like building up the community
Being that Rabonim deal with many women, Shaylos regarding Taharoh, Kashrus, as well as divorce R’L so it is reasonable to say that the Rov should be someone who women respect and someone who they are comfortable dealing with and asking questions,
Don’t you think it is reasonable to say that it is essential that women be able to vote in this election?
If you agree or disagree, why or why not?
While i would usually say that it is better for there to be more time for an election, in this case I disagree because we have a relatively small community and everybody knows everybody or at least has a friend who knows the guy. Like the Gemoro says ‘Chavroh Chavroh ees lai’.
So there is no reason to make for more time to fight.
Let’s fight!
“democracy is the best system we have” These elections are not democracy but halachah and truly an institution dearest to the Rebbe. By these elections we can have the strongest beis din possible — a beis din kavua. And the primary job of the newly elected vaad hakahal is to strengthen the beis din in all ways possible.
what if the rav is not as good as you think he will be
why is that alot of people with their heads full of hot air want to speak and think they know it all a) mr wagshul ia a person who sold the newspaper “crown heights chronicle” as a tool to elect certain parties both in the last election and in the one before that. without ever disclosing who paid him to write his one sided newspaper he is also a disbarred lawyer. and if i were him would hide under a rock and hide. but here in CH he thinks we are stupid and writes articles and became a groise dayer… Read more »
and it got me thinking. A group of concerned anash who have financial backing, should scout and recruit a Rov of stature, dignity, strength of character and conviction – from somewhere else outside of crown heights. We need a man who is above partisan politics, the type of person who the mere sight of him commands respect, a man of the time’s who holds on to the tradition of our ancestors with an unyielding grip. A man who we can point to our children as an example, someone who will bring this community back from the edge. This man should… Read more »
i think its all stuped its not such a big deal
Does anyone know who is in the running for the third rov?
I heard alot of different names and rumors but I didnt hear of any one actual name.
AS A WOMAN, I DONT THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHAT I THINK OF ANYONE WHO IS RUNNIN G FOR THIRD RAV BECAUSE I CAN’T VOTE ANYWAYS
You really believe it will make a difference how long you know that a condidate is running? Theres not much to know about it.
Either you want to vote for them or not.
the whole system we have now is backwards.
The public deserves to know more about a candidate and why they should vote tor them.
in the last election some of the guys won by default because people didnt want someone else to win.
what kind of election is that?
for mendy hendel to write a better newspaper for you to print so that the community won’t utterly reject your “wisdom” and “unbiased reporting” as they did in this election?