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Old Scroll Proves Chabad Is Right

A 13th century (circa 1270) Ashkenazi Torah scroll, one of the oldest in the world, proves the Alter Rebbe's spelling of a word is correct. Full Story

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Carbon dating
February 15, 2016 7:55 pm

generally refers to the age of the universe. It is invalid because creations created in their mature form appeared
much older right after creation. Also, after the flood, things
were affected by the floodwaters.

confirmation.
February 15, 2016 4:09 pm

The question is not strictly Ashkanasi vs Safardi. There are many Safardi scrolls with aleph and many Ashkanasi scrolls with hei. This one is confirmation that aleph is the genuine Ashkanasic minhag.

Title misleading
February 15, 2016 2:01 pm

As a number of comments have pointed out, both traditional spellings are valid. In any event, halacha is not determined by archeological discoveries.

Not a breakthrough
February 15, 2016 5:14 am

For years, manuscripts were supporting our view, not just the two which the friediker Rebbe saw that’s recorded in hayom yom. Also, if I’m not mistaken, sefardim have had it with alef all along.

????
February 15, 2016 1:38 am

your nefesh habohamos!

shtusim
February 14, 2016 11:54 pm

eilu vaeilu divrei elokim chaim (eiruvin 13b).

To #10
February 14, 2016 9:01 pm

Yes, unfortunately, our nefesh habehamis needs that reassurance. …

The rebbe on carbon dating
February 14, 2016 7:06 pm

The gist of the rebbe’s argument is you can only do it within a known range, if you have ten objects from the 1300’s, you can reliably date others with a similar carbon result as being from the same era. But if an object is from before recorded history there is less reliability to date it, and the further you go beyond confirmed objects the less reliable the result. The problem with all the age predictions is they are extrapolating way out of the range of recorded history and are not taking into account the conditions that could have been… Read more »

CH'er
February 14, 2016 6:19 pm

Reading here all comments after the article itself,

1 question I have for ya’ll

“Do we need the legitimacy of a scroll from the 12th century to validate the words of the Alte Rebbe and the Rebbe ?

Seriously guys !!!!

to #6
February 14, 2016 5:06 pm

there are different methods and different elements used for dating objects, not necessarily “carbon”

Not new
February 14, 2016 4:42 pm

This controversy was resolved way before this, by a Torah scroll more ancient than this one. Anyone who says hayom yom knows that.
But it’s still cool

Re: Aleppo Codex
February 14, 2016 4:13 pm

Its only missing the pages recently (since 1948) rabbis & researches had looked at it earlier (in the 1800’s) and had made notes regarding a lot of question we have in Masorah and this was one of them, and there it’s also like the alter Rebbe.
If you goggle it in Hebrew you will find it.

to #2
February 14, 2016 4:02 pm

Isn’t the Rebbe’s statement that carbon dating is unreliable at least and a sham at most referring to dating objects to estimate the age of the world too? What other carbon dating could the Rebbe be referring to?

hayom yom
February 14, 2016 3:40 pm

the rebbe writes it in hayom yom

It proves nothing
February 14, 2016 3:19 pm

All it shows is that the Ashkenazi tradition is an alef, which we already knew. We also know that the Sefardi tradition is a hei. We didn’t know which tradition is correct, and we still don’t know.

And it has nothing to do with Chabad or hte Alter Rebbe. The Alter Rebbe didn’t decide anything, he just followed the Ashkenazi tradition, as one would expect since he was Ashkenazi.

Aleppo Codex
February 14, 2016 12:36 pm

Peretz says that “the benchmark comparison is to the Aleppo Codex…” How can any comparison of a sefer Torah to the Aleppo Codex be made, when the Aleppo Codex is missing nearly the entire Chumash?

Number one
February 14, 2016 12:13 pm

What the rebe was discussing was with regard to the age of the world. With regard to objects carbon 14 is almost 100 percent accurate.
David Shapiro

Carbon Dating
February 14, 2016 11:31 am

I thought carbon dating is unreliable for estimating age in the many letters of the rebbe.

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