Answering questions since the 1980’s, Chabad.org’s Ask-the-Rabbi service is the longest running such service on the Internet, answering thousands of questions every week.
The other day, the Ask-the-Rabbi responders were asked a question applying age old Torah teachings to very cutting edge technology: Is the Lab-Created Burger Kosher?
By Yehuda Shurpin – Chabad.org
Question:
Scientists have recently demonstrated that they can now take stem cells from a cow and build them into hamburgers that look, feel and (almost) taste like the real thing. What does Jewish law have to say? Is this considered real meat? Is it kosher?
Response:
This is a fascinating question that needs to be studied carefully by expert rabbis when the issue becomes more practical and Petri-dish burgers become an affordable option. But here are some preliminary thoughts on the subject to give you some perspective.
Meat from Heaven
What makes this question so intriguing is that this is an example of how those seemingly fantastic Aggadic tales in the Talmud are nowadays becoming a starting point for new halachik questions.
There is actually a discussion in the Talmud about whether meat that does not come from an animal is considered kosher, although the origin of the meat in this case was even more miraculous:
A story of Rabbi Shimeon ben Chalafta, who was walking on the road, when lions met him and roared at him. Thereupon he quoted from Psalms: “The young lions roar for prey and to beg their food from G‑d,”1 and two lumps of flesh descended [from heaven]. They ate one and left the other. This he brought to the study hall and propounded: Is this fit [for food] or not? The scholar answered: “Nothing unfit descends from heaven.” Rabbi Zera asked Rabbi Abbahu: “What if something in the shape of a donkey were to descend?” He replied: “You ‘howling yorod,2’ did they not answer him that no unfit thing descends from heaven?”3
Miraculous meat appears again in the Talmud, although this time it was man-made:
Rabbi Chanina and Rabbi Oshaia would spend every Sabbath eve studying the “Book of Creation”4 by means of which they created a calf and ate it.5
In discussing this story, later commentators debate whether such an animal would require shechitah (kosher slaughter) in order to be eaten.
Rabbi Yeshayah Halevi Horowitz, known as the Shelah, writes that it is not considered a real animal and does not need shechitah.6
Others write that while a technical interpretation of Biblical law may not require such an animal to be slaughtered, the rabbinical prohibition of “marit ayin” (not engaging in acts that look misleadingly similar to forbidden activity) would necessitate slaughter–lest an onlooker think that ordinary meat is being consumed without shechitah.7
Test-Tube Beef
So far we have discussed “miracle meat” that came from heaven or was created by spiritual means. Some commentators defined this meat as miraculous because it did not come from a naturally-born animal. But do we consider any meat that does not come from a naturally-born animal to be “miracle meat”? Or does it need to come through an actual miracle? How about test-tube meat, which does come from actual animal cells? In this case the dictum that “no unfit thing descends from heaven” obviously would not apply. Here are some of the issues that will need to be explored:
● The Cells The scientist extracted the cells of a real animal and used them to grow the tissues in a Petri dish. If, and that is not a small if, the mere cells are considered substantial enough to be called meat, this may present a problem. In addition to the prohibition of eating a limb from a living animal,8 there is an additional injunction not to eat any meat that was severed from a live animal.9
This is an issue for non-Jews as well as Jews, since Noahide law dictates that non-Jews may not eat even a minute amount of meat that was separated from a living animal.10
For Jews, if the cells are considered real meat, then presumably they would need to be extracted from a kosher animal that was slaughtered according to Jewish law.
Another consideration is that there is a halachik concept, “the product of non-kosher is itself not kosher, and the product of that which is kosher is itself kosher.”11 While at first glance this would seem to imply that the cells need to come from a kosher source, it is not clear whether the above rule would apply to microscopic cells that were extracted from an animal.
● The Product In Jewish law, a food that contains only a minuscule amount of a non-kosher ingredient can still be considered kosher if the non-kosher ingredient is nullified (usually) by at least a factor of 60 to 1. At first glance it would appear that we can apply this rule to our scenario, since the original cells are greatly outnumbers by the “meat” produced. However, halachah states that the above rule does not apply to a “davar hama’amid,” an ingredient that establishes the form of the item. The essential ingredient can never be nullified, now matter how small it is.12 It would seem that the same rule applies to the cells that are essential to growing the meat. If they don’t come from a kosher source, they can never be nullified, and whatever is created with them is also not kosher.
As noted earlier, these are just preliminary thoughts on the subject. Any halachik ruling would have to come from rabbis who are expert in these matters.
…would that be ever min hachai?
Not necessarily – Chicken is forbidden because its of its similarity in concept ,not because it looks or tastes like meat. Besides, the laws of Maris Ayin are not open ended, and can’t be created by modern rabbis.
The question here is about gedulei issur.
Rabbis who are experts in the matter? Anyone can read the papers that describe the process. the challenge is for any Rabbi to try and apply halacha to an unforeseen situation. I have no doubt that mainstream rabbis will treat such meat as regular meat for the same reason chicken became treated like meat. The masses are a**es and need a foot wide fence around rules.
when people see meet the dont need marit haayain to see whether it is shechted or not
BS”D
from what I understand so far B”H they are doing this from vegetable stem cells….
Ohh good! If it’s kosher we can now go on to the next question:fleishik or parave?
as much marit ayin as imitation crab/lobster and bacon bits and parave milk etc (and natural custom sheitels) – once we know that these products are in common use there is no longer marit ayin!
Thank you for your informed and well thought-out response. Your ahavas Yisroel has added a great deal to this discussion.
Isnt that “marit ayin”
can we not use that expression please?????? it may be that you disagree with the opinions of some Rabbis, but if you know anything about the Taliban, their ideas and their actions- to their own people, especially women- you would, hopefully, not use the name about Klal yisrael. If you truly wish your opinions to be trusted,please reflect…….
Trust me
Even if it is permitted, some taliban rabbi will osser it
bs”d
so technically this would work for pork ect. also?
btw. its good that brought to the table that the proof dosent have to be from meat it can even be from something thats not food…
just to be clear can stem cell be taken from a slaughtered animal or only from a live animal? if it can be taken from a slaughtered animal then the even min hachai issue would go away ?
Vat-grown meat does not come from an animal at all. You are not eating the cells that came from the animal, you’re eating cells that were grown from those, but have never even been near an animal. Assuming that the medium in which they were cultured is kosher, so is the meat. If you’re worried about the substance of the starter cells that are still in there, first of all they’re microscopic and therefore halachically have no metzius, but if that isn’t enough for you, then consider that by the time this comes to market it will not be the… Read more »
id love to hear a follow up with a rav’s ruling.
I appreciate when COL posts substantive reading material.