I read the article titled, “We Are Becoming Increasingly Polarized” by Raphael Aron. I come on behalf of my family and friends who live in the Covid regime headed by dictator Dan Andrews (known as Dictator Dan) in Melbourne where Raphael Aron lives. I grew up in Melbourne and the rest of my family including my parents and 13 other siblings k”ah still live there.
While I understand Rabbi Aron’s point of the unvaccinated not forcing their view on others, there is a much bigger issue at large which this article has omitted and in putting the focus on the extreme anti vaxxers appears to legitimize the sinas chinam, segregation against the unvaccinated and the mass violation of a fundamental Halacha currently being perpetrated in the Melbourne Jewish community (this is not aimed at Rabbi Aron personally). After everything my family, friends and specifically my parents have been through in Melbourne, Australia where the author of this article is based from, I feel the moral conscience not to be silent and present the truth to the public.
The only segregation being perpetrated in Melbourne right now is against the people that don’t want to take the vaccine just yet. There are many who have legitimate concerns about the Covid vaccine as there are risks associated with it and it was fast tracked in less than a year outside the norm of 10-40 years of testing for vaccines (in other words it is still in the experimental stage). This is in addition to governments around the world blocking any liability surrounding this vaccine (for good reason). While the pharmaceutical companies and government want to force people to take it, this is because they claim that the risks are outweighed by the communal need and overall communal effectiveness (aside from the obvious financial gain involved). Whether that’s in fact true or not is controversial. However, one thing universal is that whether you are pro or anti vax, the concept of a mandate takes away people’s freedom to choose to take the risk for themself. The amount of risk is a source of contention but even the minimal level according to the pro vaxxers is still a risk.
Currently in the Melbourne Frum community, anyone who is unvaccinated just yet (regardless of the reason) is in a virtual segregation/ex-communication. They cannot go to shul and many communal events. They are even scorned in the streets and not allowed in certain retail stores. I know someone who couldn’t even go to their own grandson’s leining and kiddush on Shabbos for his Bar Mitzvah in shul. One Shul even has security to ensure that the unvaccinated don’t enter. Who’s segregating who?!?! Even people who have made private minyanim during lockdowns have had frum neighbors masser on them to the Non-Jewish police! What a Chillul Hashem and a disgrace! The argument Raphael Aron is suggesting of following your doctor is not being followed with the pro vax in Melbourne. Over there, one does not have the liberty to discuss this with their personal doctor. Mandates are being forced on them.
I would like to hereby reframe the issue Raphael Aron is bringing up. Instead of it being pro vax vs anti vax, it is pro vax/govt forcing their way on everyone through means of segregation and loss of employment vs people who want the freedom to make an educated decision. I am not anti vax in general, but I am against mandates and segregation. If someone wants to take the vaccine, I respect their medical decision. I hope they respect the medical decision of someone who does not want to take the vaccine just the same. However, the concept of mandates that steal people’s freedom are very dangerous. In Northern Australia (Howard Springs near Darwin), an internment camp which was used for travelers quarantining was used for a covid outbreak in a nearby town called Katherine. Anyone in contact with an infected person even with a negative test was forced away from their living arrangements into a single room in this internment camp for a minimum of 14 days. Three teens who tried escaping were caught and punished. This was kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment, yet the Australian media reported this as normal. We all know what the Torah says about Shechem. If we don’t stand up to these atrocities, there is no end where this can lead to!
The leaders in Melbourne claim they are under government rule. The Frierdiker Rebbe and Rebbe had much mesiras nefesh for Torah and Mitzvos not to listen to the government against yiddishkeit and demanded this of the chassidim even to the point of people risking their very lives.
Unfortunately, the argument of government rule is just an excuse. The government actually had a rule that unvaccinated people can go to shul to their own minyan, but a Shul in Melbourne went beyond that and didn’t allow anyone unvaccinated on their grounds even in a separate building period (they have multiple buildings). They even had a ‘Unity’ Siyum Sefer Torah in honor of Covid and barred the unvaccinated from joining. What a bizayon that must have been to the Sefer Torah and to unity! The tone of this whole article somehow tries to legitimize this disgraceful behavior of sinas chinam of what the leaders in Melbourne are allowing to take place! This is unlawful excommunication and segregation. According to the Rambam in Hilchos Talmud Torah (6:14) and Shulchan Aruch YD (334:43), someone that excommunicates unlawfully enters a state of excommunication themself (G-d forbid)!!!
The Melbourne community including Raphael Aron is under the influence of a dictator (Dan Andrews – Governor/Premier of the state of Victoria) who controls what information they are allowed to see and believe. Mr Andrews has also been notorious in having the harshest Covid lockdowns and vaccine mandates in the world which ultimately did not stop the virus from spreading. The premise that there are zero risks to the Covid vaccine is simply false. The CDC themself in all their studies write clearly about the risks (they argue that the risks are outweighed for the communal benefit). VAERS has also reported 18,000 deaths among many more side effects from 800,000 people self-reporting. To write that the concerns of the vaccine are devoid of medical evidence is simply not true.
The Rambam in Hilchos Yesodei HaTorah (5:5) states clearly that we aren’t allowed to kill (or allow to be killed) a single person even to save an entire city. We cannot force someone to put themselves at risk against their better judgment claiming that it is for the communal good, especially with COVID where that communal good is arguable. This is a major violation of Halacha and possibly the Sheva Mitzvos (Murder is one of them) as well. If someone dies R”L as a result of this vaccine being forced on them, this mandate might have violated the laws of murder according to the Rambam.
Melbourne is also under the influence of Mr Andrews that the unvaccinated are a danger to society since they somehow spread the virus even if they don’t have covid and they somehow make the vaccinated lose their immunity. The world outside of Melbourne knows how ridiculous this all is.
Raphael Aron and the rest of Melbourne should live by the motto suggested in his article and live and let live instead of forcing their personal doctor’s opinion on everyone else as the article subtly suggests. In addition, some doctors in Melbourne (and in the US) have admitted that if they advise someone not to take the vaccine they can lose their job. There are in fact some doctors who despite this have advised their patients to wait with the vaccine.
It is true, there are some extreme anti-vaxxers out there towards any vaccine. To suggest that anyone who doesn’t want to vaccinate for Covid is somehow connected to a cult is ludicrous. There are more than 50% of states in the US suing President Biden against his mandates. The article implies that every Republican governor and even some Democratic governors who are against the forcing of the covid vaccine on others due to concerns of risks and freedom are part of an anti vax cult. This doesn’t sound right.
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UPDATE: I have seen reports that the Premier in Melbourne is easing restrictions on the unvaccinated and that the Melbourne Shul has followed suit. I hope that should this Ch”V come up in the future, we will avoid sinas chinam and segregation against the unvaccinated or anyone for that matter by sticking to Torah principles at all times.
May we be zoche to the time when no Jew will be left behind with the coming of Moshiach speedily.
Yehuda Adelist
I especially agree with the paragraph which states that the Freierdiker Rebbe and Rebbe went even against the government for the sake of yiddishkeit. People tend to forget this and end up following the government mostly for money gains which is putting yiddishkeit out the window. I would also add that the vaccine has nothing what to do with the division that the jewish community has. It has to do with the lack of ahavas yisrael even before the virus occured. The virus is being used as an excuse for more division. There is many differences and many divisions against… Read more »
For being the very first major Jewish publication to publish uncensored common sense!
This article contains some of the finest writing ever put to print. Its syntax and structure can be compared only to the greatest works of literature. I’ve never heard of the author, Yehuda Adelist, but I’m sure I will be hearing of him again—the man has an unparalleled way with words.
And his brilliant craftsmanship is coupled with his clarity of ideas. I mean, look how he so beautiful dismembered the pro-vaccine lunacy piece by piece. If there’s an article in the world that’ll shake the vaxxers out of their cult-like bubble, it’s this. Well done, good man
Why so many in Chabad anti vax when basically every Chabad Posek has come out strongly pro vax? That Halacha says we need listen to the majority of Doctors?
Confusing.
Do we listen to our Rabbonim and Poskim or what?
Thank you for this response! Well written, good FACTS (and B”H NOT another opinion article). May Australia and the rest of world wake up from their dangerous hypnosis and slumber!!
In less than 1000 words, you validated everything Dr. Aron wrote. Thank you, my good sir.
You obliviously either didn’t read this article or just didn’t get it.
The man is a rabbi, not a doctor.
Now, this sort of thing might explain your credulity in believing everything that “doctors” say, even those like Fauci who have 40 years of failure behind them…
In saying “If someone dies R”L as a result… this might have violated the laws of murder according to the Rambam”
When really this is the exact dilemma the shuls are grappling with when they choose to not allow anyone without a vaccine in. The author makes it seem as if Rabbanim are taking delight in the “segregation” when really it is not an easy choice. It parallels the idea of doing something that’s in someone’s best interest even if they do not understand or agree.
This is not a reasonable argument, unless we ban all people from shul who are not vaccinated for the flu, chicken pox and etc., and are up to date on all relevant boosters. Will we ban people from shul who had chicken pox, but did not get the vaccines and boosters? After all, chicken pox can be deadly. You can get it twice. What about the flu? Even if someone had a flu vaccine for the past 30 years, if they aren’t up to date on this year’s shot, should we ban them out of fear that they could have… Read more »
well done article
Thank you! Alei v’hatzlach.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2R00KP
Do you work for a vaccine manufacturer?
Great response! Thank you for very clearly and intelligently articulating what will many of us felt in response to Rabbi Aron’s article.
this article is my thoughts exactly. live and let live and move on.
Live and let live and stop caring about other people. Totally.
has stated that the vaccinated spread Covid too. So where’s the “caring about other people” in taking the vaccine? Seems like you’re just trying to put down others.
You deserve a Pulitzer for a piece like this. Keep these awesome op-eds coming
Hooray! I’m comment number 1! And if this gets posted, then I’m number two too!!
Keep spreading disinformation! Enough people haven’t died from Covid yet, but we have to persevere!
If they were allowed their medicines and given the right informatoon and treatment.
Very well written. The state of Israel and Australia = the biggest jokes on Earth
Not that it’s relative at all here but since you mentioned Israel, please expound?
Sold itself to be pfizers lab
Life is a nightmare in Israel now. I feel awful for people suffering under that regime. What a police state it’s turned into. Baruch Hashem for America, I love and appreciate this country so much now. Truly, G-d bless America.
Good and glad not being let unto the Shule premises
The Vaccinated think they’re supermen and can’t get or spread Covid
The fact is that this is false and they may and are super spreaders
Great to be forced to keep far away from them!
According to the cdc vaccinated can spread covid to others. The ndw variant is found mostly among vaccinated including with 3 doses in israel and elsewhere. So vaccinated should be excluded not just non vaccinated if you want to exclude
The behavior in Melbourne is beyond disgraceful. Not the way Am Yisroel should be treating their brothers. So selfish.
The behavior to familes who implemented vaccine choice during the measles was equally disgraceful ! How easily we forget! Hashem has not forgotten! Now the entire world is literally experiencing what they did! This can be rectified with the understanding that NO further discrimination over personal medical choices in our mist! There has never been a place for that in our past history and its not something that should have ever happened in modern times! Some have normalized the idea that its proper for a child to be multi -injected with over a dozen vaccines, that most adults have never… Read more »
thank you very much for judging people who you dont know with know prior knowledge besides for a biased article
Thank you
Thank you collive for publishing this article. This article is so well written. The author brings such valuable points in an respectful, intelligent way. It’s nice to hear from someone who is a moderate and not an extremist.
Yasher koach!
Is this article seriously saying he wants 10-40 years of testing for the vaccine to be ok?
Did hand write this article and send it in by pigeon since it used to take 6 months to send a letter instead of fast tracking it with email?
Cut the bolony, you know good and well what the point was.. and in case you didn’t, yes vaccines or any medication FDA approved, generally do take that long..
No one is saying this is a bad one or good one, just live and let live. As they say, too each their own.
Is the “solution”(quotes because who says?) To fast track a brand new mRNA injection to the bloodstream which literally has known lethal side effects? (See the package inserts of the vaccines and the CDC website re: myocarditis and pericarditis)
I’ve heard from very reliable sources that Australia was locked down from the rest of the world at the direct request of some big Money in CH to prevent the Australians from making noise and disturbances during Tishrei…I know this sounds wild but it’s true beyond the shadow of a doubt.
I can’t believe you heard that! It’s top secret; only the millionaires in CH are in on it. They control the mosdos, and they control especially the doctors. Crown Heights Drs are terrified of them; he is both paid off, and threatened. But their reach into Australia is the most insidious of all. They are determined to keep Australians out, and are in cahoots with the aborigines – whom no one would suspect! – and the highest offices of government. Don’t be fooled for a minute by their big tzedaka giving. It’s all fake, and it’s a distraction from their… Read more »
I can’t tell if this is real or made up.
There is absolutely no excuse for this type of behavior in Australia. Those who choose not to vaccinate should not be shunned by fellow Jews. Horrific and selfish.
Why are they selfish again? They are putting themselves at risk. You can get protected if you like???!!!!!
This holds true for any vaccine.
I didn’t read the article but I just want to say that I admire the author for having the courage to say the right thing at the right time. We need more of this in our community. Kol hakovid!
Doesn’t actually read the article, but supports it = doesn’t actually do any research on the vaccine, but refuses to get it.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the conservative party summed up.
Such assumptions, that he represents “the conservative party,” when there’s not a shred of evidence to that effect. Seems to me that you’re just out to attack “the conservative party” rather than to contribute anything useful to the discussion.
While this person in the above comment doesn’t make sense. That is absolutely not the conservative party.
We actually do our research (usually) unlike the leftists who just blindly follow the media who intentionally twist and or omit the truth. (And I could go on and on with examples if you want).
Exactly
Please clarify, you said that you didn’t read the article, but yet you have an opinion on it, how does that work.
Dead serious
He is not commending the points made in the article- pro or anti vaxx, that is irrelevant. Rather he is commending the author for having the courage to voice an opinion deemed unpopular by establishment media. Sheesh, have we really lost all ability to think critically?
Every person should be entitled to decide for themselves if they want to get vaccinated. Those that do believe in the vax should have no fear if they truly believe the vaccine works they should be protected. .
My friends, I believe that with this Covid vaccine craziness we are being tested on our Ahavas Yisroel. Let’s be mindful of others and true to the Torah by loving our fellow jew and not let governments become dictatorships and causing ch”v division.
Moshiach now!
So we’re lacking in ahavas yisroel only with regards to Covid, but there’s no other, more pressing matters within Judaism that we should be concerned with?
We’re lacking in Ahavas Yisroel in many other areas. The current discussion just exposes that more blatantly.
Vahavta lreiacha kamocha ZE KLAL GADOL BATORAH! Ahavas yisrael has nothing what to do with the virus, this problem has been since the second temple. But the virus was/is a test how will we react with our fellow jews.
Thank you Yehuda Adelist for speaking the truth – facts as they are – without attacking either viewpoint. Thank you COL for FINALLY posting (other than comments) something that doesn’t have a “hidden” agenda of “get vaccinated”.
There are prominent Chabad rabbanim who have openly stated that the unvaxxed are not allowed into their shuls on R”H and Y”K. It was painful to read!!! Ironically, these same rabbanim would happily daven in 770 despite many mispallilim being unvaxxed.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally, someone brave enough to tell the truth!!!
COL shouldn’t be publishing articles like this, it gives a bad name to Chabad.
Oh really, how so? So COL should just post one sided and other political posts? Gotcha
The comments, where you have people wishing death on those who don’t take the vaccine – now that’s what gives a bad name.
For putting things in the RIGHT perspective
Love it
Thank you for providing this well written piece. I live in Melbourne and have been segregated and ostracized. While the vaccine mandates have eased in some areas, they have not been eased in others (including the work place), so my job is also under threat (I’m currently working from home but there is an expectation that I have to go back into the office in the New Year where only “vaccinated” people are allowed in). I don’t have a voice and would like to thank you for providing a voice to me and to other disenfranchised people who have been… Read more »
Reminds me of when my child was mistreated in a camp, the following year I was shocked that a Lakewood based camp showed more love. Moshiach’s on his way
Reminds me when my child, here in CH, was not allowed into school for not having a vaccine, but legally was allowed into school by the NY dept of health, but I was told that ” we choose to be more strict than the govt!” Are you kidding me?? They wouldn’t let a child learn Torah, shame on them! They definitely should apologize!
Read this article which clarifies vaccine deaths. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines
Oh you beleive the mainstream media is reporting all the effects it did have on people, including deaths.. there are many that don’t report or report privately or govt doesn’t consider cause from the vax while anyone that died and also had covid, must have been covid that killed them?..
Read this
https://truthsnitch.com/2017/10/24/cdc-silence-million-dollar-harvard-project-charged-upgrading-vaccine-safety-surveillance-system/
To compare following a government who is against yiddushkeit to a govt enforcing medical laws. No comparison.
U don’t realize those against anti vaxxers entering their shul is all about keeping everyone safe . as u might not want heavy smokers in side either.
You think it was always just religion excuses they used in past..? Wake up, there were times Jews were ostracized with medical and other excuses..
I live in Melbourne and I was here when the State government forcibly shut down all of the shuls during this past Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. The leaders of the community pleaded with the government to let the shuls stay open and presented COVID safe plans to them but the government refused to listen. Only one shul – the local Satmar shul – refused to listen to the government and stayed open for Rosh Hashana with 20 people davening there. On the 1st day and second night of Rosh Hashana the local police and media surrounded the shul. The… Read more »
They made a chillul hashem, over and over again, they knew it would keep happening and davkeh chose to make a media circus to the detriment of the jewish community. The police had no choice but to shut it down. fools.
better they daavened in private minyonim like everyone else and stayed off the radar. the police didn’t care about the huge amount of small minyanim, many even outdoors on streets and in plain view.
So, after it was clearly proven that the State government of Victoria does not base it’s COVID restrictions on medical science and health and safety, (but rather enforces their tyrannical policies based on political considerations and religious discrimination – eg shutting down shuls while allowing a boxing match to go ahead in the same week), your response was to claim that the Satmar community committed a Chilul Hashem? Please define the terms “chilul Hashem” and “Kiddush Hashem?” Is the definition based on doing the right thing in accordance with Halacha and Torah values or is the definition based on how… Read more »
Soon they’ll be talking about climate change lockdowns and limiting numbers of children ppl can have in the name of health and safety and protection of our world so it doesn’t become overpolluted.
Will the Rabbonim go along with that rule too? Bc the govt is making rules for our protection?
True words. People need to wake up from this brainwashed nightmare once and for all.
I’m pro vaccine but tia is a bad example. Smoking should not be allowed in any shuls. But heavy smokers should never be barred from shuls C”V. They just cannot smoke in a shul. Everyone is allowed in shul!! Covid is not allowed in shul. If your sick stay home till your not contagious. Someone who is antivax but is not sick should be in shul like me and you. They are probably safer to the public then we are. If we get Covid we’ll be Asymptomatic or it will be very mild. We may not realize we have Covid,… Read more »
You’re 100% correct. In fact, this is exactly the problem with the pertussis vaccine. It removes the symptoms, which is much more dangerous.
Hashem protect us from them and their “medical interventions.”
Interfering with Hashem’s design. Arrogance beyond words.
I don’t know if a single shul that lets people that are currently smoking inside. They can come, but the smoking is done outside. To compare unvaccinated healthy people to those who smoke inside is complete nonsense. It’s sad within a year , media and governments convinced the general public that somehow unvaccinated people are ticking time bombs and can just explode at any time with virus. In fact it’s the vaccinated people who can catch and spread covid without knowing that are ticking time bombs. I know of so many people who thought the vaccine gave them protection, but… Read more »
We should test everyone then for hepatitis and strep, which can be much more dangerous, espescially if left untreated.
And by the way when we go shopping, we need to make sure that everyone in the grocery store is fully vaccinated.
And the cleaning ladies and babysitters. Everyone needs to show that they are not infectious with any disease.
HEAD SMACK
Do you also approve of banning those who pose dangers to infants and children because they are not up to date on whooping cough, measles and chicken pox vaccines? What about the elderly who are at increased risk for flu? Do we ban those not up to date on flu vaccines? Or, as I suspect, do you only approve of banning those who didn’t take the political vaxx de jour?
Well said!
Why is COL publishing this garbage antivax propaganda?! Shame on you!!
You know good and well (if you’ve bothered to read the full article) that it is absolutely not anti vax, rather being pro choice especially in this situation. And you can’t compare it to other vaccines, not in the effects, nor how effective it actually is..
COL publishes for the ratings. Period. And in this community – as you can see right here – the ratings are good as long as you’re posting ignorant, stupid, false garbage that feeds the public’s lust.
I’m ashamed of being someone who’s identified with Neshei Newsletter or COL. The mainstream lubavitcher perspective is in bed with the conspiracy theorists (just by the way, who are also virulently anti-semitic). Most of all this shows the lack of education of our community. Show me a mainstream media in the modern orthodox community that espouses these idiocies!
I understand and respect your feelings. But rationally speaking, this misses the point. Namely, that people need to make their own medical decisions and respect the medical decisions of others. If you argue contrary, then you need to argue that ALL vaccines and boosters must be mandated; you cannot mandate a single vaccine for a potentially deadly communicable disease, and not another one. So are you up to date on all your whooping cough, measles, flu and chicken pox boosters?
Ironic! The point is that people have the G-d given right to make their own medical choices- to assume a risk level they are comfortable with. The article had nothing to do with whether vaccines are good or bad, right or wrong. That isn’t the issue. The issue is respecting peoples G-d given rights to choose what is right for them. If you believe a vaccine protects you- the author believes you have the right to take it. If you believe the vaccine is not for you, for whatever reason, the author believes you should act accordingly.
זאלסט נישט מורא האבן פון קיינעם נישט נאר פון ג-ט אליין
Thank you and Yashar Koach for this excellent article!
Thank you, the majority of us who (regardless of opinion on the vaccine) are against mandating and bullying are grateful.
I’m all for the mandate. Sometimes you have to force the dumb among us to do the right thing or else they will remain in their selfish, uneducated bubble of stupidity.
Well this ain’t one of those “sometimes” !
Like not driving when you’re drunk.
Maybe that shouldn’t be mandatd either?
So you don’t stop at red lights? You exceed the speed limit? You drive while drunk?
You’re a danger to society!
Oh, wait…maybe you’re a fine person and don’t do all of the above. But you think everyone should have the ‘freedom’ to choose whether or not to stop at red lights or speed, yes? No mandates.
How can you compare forced medical coercion (for a jab that does not prevent infection and transmission of the virus) and segregation and apartheid to traffic laws and laws against drunk driving ? Are you also going to compare Jim crowe laws to traffic light laws?
As a fellow Australian, I can attest that this article is a misrepresentation of facts and very much the intellectual byproduct of a fringe group within our Melbourne community. The authors inventive narrative is not in anyway truthful, or honest. I implore the reader to do your own research into his disingenuous claims.
So please tell us how do..
How is it missed presentation and why is it there are Australians here saying it is true?
What parts are false and what gain does the author have?
Why, on earth, is it so hard for anyone to understand what “choice” means? When did we blindly for as they say? Many barely listen to their doctors in other aspects, yet when it comes to this, must for as he says? So says the govt!
I’m Australian. This is very true.
Well I’m Australian too and can attest that everything the author wrote is true.
Don’t hide behind anonymity with such a strong accusation. If you’re so secure about your statement, come out with who you are.
Covid was a man made or atleast man modified virus. (There is tons of evidence both genetic and circumstantial, as well as tons of in house documents from fauci yemach shemo and his organizations as well as bill gates yemach shemo’s pet company Moderna (the fake vax company that never in their entire life span of existence got a vaccine that was safe to be properly approved!) so lets take a moment and think why somebody make a virus? Well lets look at the artificial reactions that came about for no real reason and lets try to reverse engineer some… Read more »
I real life conspiracy theorist right here on COL! Cool!
Now we see how things get labeled “conspiracy theories.” Someone presents some statements, and instead of trying to address them and show how they’re incorrect, or that they take illogical leaps, etc., just call it a “conspiracy theory” and close off any further discussion. Doesn’t sound very “scientific” or “open-minded” or “evidence-based” to me.
Thus is no theory it is definitely a conspiracy the question is who is behind it.
Try read this
https://t.me/zelenkoprotocol
You forgot to mention that 85 percent of covid death could been prevented with early treatment. Who’s idea was it to overlook that and to ridicule Dr zelenko and his friends etc
I support getting vaccinated if your doctor says you should.
The theories spouted by anti vaxxers, who haven’t bothered to take one class in chemistry, let alone earn a medical degree are ridiculous.
But enough of the coercion and bullying..they just cause people to go “off the derech”
There is no place for words like “extreme antivaxxer” pertaining to those who have concerns of vaccines outside of just the covid injections .A more appropriate term would be people who are “vaccine injury aware”, or “anti vaccine mandate” The manufactures of the “other” vaccines were granted full legal liability by Congress in 1986 for the injuries and deaths they were causing , mainly to children as they were the primary cohort subjected to mandates at the time. Covid vaccination has brought out increased public awareness that ALL vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and injuries are real not rare! AND that… Read more »
“VAERS has also reported 18,000 deaths among many more side affects ”
The majority of the VAERS reports entered have actually been from medical personal, who are encouraged not to report as many brave whistleblowers have attested. The more HONEST and decent ones did report, so the actual numbers of deaths and serious adverse reactions are considerably higher ! The process of entering to VAERS is tedious and time consuming. Many laypeople and medical professionals are overwhelmed by the process as such much there should be reported isnt
Vears if it’s not accurate it’s way lower than actual numbers it’s fir sure not higher
So first he begans speaking about how its sinas chinam etc. and throughout the article comntinues to basellesy attack the Melbourne community where he isnt even living and hasnt been in more than 7 years! ( I live in melbourne NOW) Now if you think the community wants to do this you are wrong. They are being forced to do it with a punishment of either a massive fine or even getting closed down if discovered. The government send the shul a Covid marshall who they are forced to employ and who can only let in vaccinated people. Wether or… Read more »
Big athletes got adverse reactions among too many deaths and irreversible build protein toxins whoever wishes to take good respect those who protect themselves and the lives of children RESPECT!!!!
Regardless of which side of the Pro-Vaccine vs. Anti Vaccine debate, you may find yourself. Using sources from Halacha and even comparing the battles of our Rabbeim against tyrannical governments who wanted to destroy Yiddishkeit to vaccine mandates is shameful, debases the sanctity of Jewish Law, and undermines the heroic actions of our Nesiim.
But halacha to some degree at least does play a key role in health in Judaism, plus it has to be both sides playing fair to say this.
If the State government of Victoria forcibly shut down all Melbourne shuls and Jewish prayer services over Tishrei but allowed other events to go ahead during the same time, (including an indoor boxing match with close to 100 people in attendance),then how would you describe the intentions and actions of the government? Are you going to tell me (with a straight face) that they have good intentions towards Yiddishkeit and are concerned about people’s health and safety? Also, do you think the tyranny that occurred during the Soviet period suddenly came out of no where and happened over night? Or… Read more »
When all you conservative morons die from covid because you’re unvaccinated, will America still be a two party country or are we just going to have democrats running? Because I would like to officially nominate AOC now.
And how many have died from not taking a vaccine that could’ve with a big chance /certainty been alive had they had the vaccine?
How many has the vaccine not helped??
More like when you die because you think you are safe because you got vaccinated
It’s sweet when all the uneducated people have their own little chat group like this. Do you guys have slumber parties and wear matching red hats? And how exclusive is this club? Like how dumb does one have to be to gain access?
Aaaannnddd this is why my modern orthodox family refuses to visit crown heights. I can’t blame them, these comments speak for themselves. You all need help.
I know that people who are educated enough to understand the relative risk of COVID vs vaccine might seem to be a rarity in our community but you are NOT alone. And we’re frum and chassidish and follow the Rebbe’s horaos too. We’re not at all modern and fried out. In fact it seems that the more people koch zich in RW politics, the more modern and fried out they become. Trump has become their religion.
Do you really understand “relative risk”? Because you’re talking as though Covid has a fatality rate of 60% rather than its actual 0.6%.
And as for “the Rebbe’s horaos,” somehow you seem to have missed the one about not taking unverified treatments. Oh, and the one about not putting down many of your fellow Jews as “fried out” when the facts don’t bear that out.
According to the hysterical antivaxx hysteriia we should all be dead right now.
Go learn some Torah instead of kochn zich in RW propaganda.
Trump isn’t even that pro Israel it turns out.
What’s your point?
Do you think everyone is uneducated or there’s no risk at all for anyone whatevover to be concerned?
Author is not saying to take or not to take. He is not at all encouraging any side.
You think it’s only ch where this discussion is taking place, or even better, just the Jewish community??..
To say that “VAERS has reported 18,000 deaths ” due to COVID is poshut not true.
There have been several thousand reports TO VAERS of people dying soon after their vax, out of like 200 million people, including people who died of natural causes and accidents, ie they would have died anyway. Someone above posted an article from Nebraska, here is another:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2P21CV
Someone comes out and says what the conservative, trump loving, anti vaccination party is truly about! Being selfish.
Thank you for the validation, I’ve been saying this for years.
How is it being selfish, and how is forcing something on someone else, regardless of the reason or what you it they believe in, not selfish as well????
Precisely how, are anti vaxxers being selfish?
Would you knowingly send your kid to school with the flu? Maybe, but hopefully not because that’s selfish. They would infect other people. The other kids lost their “bodily autonomy” because they did not agree to be put in that vulnerable situation. Same thing with not being vaccinated, it’s not that complicated.
Is not the same as sending a clearly sick kid to school .
In fact, soon you’ll find out that vaccinated kids can catch and spread covid just as much as vaccinated adults
… and to all those commentators bemoaning Australia, we have one of the lowest death rates from COVID by far.
Just saying.
In their eyes the numbers are obviously fake. the media is reporting fake news. in fact numbers don’t even exist. Covid is manmade and easily controlled. sounds legit.
ר‘ יעקב עמדין בספרו “מור וקציעה” על אורח חיים: “כשיש לרופא ידיעה ודאית, ועוסק בתרופה גמורה ובדוקה, ודאי לעולם כופין לחולה המסרב במקום סכנה בכל עניין ואופן שנתנה תורה לרופא לרפאותו, כגון לחתוך בשר חי שבמכה, ולהרחיב פיה, ולהפיס מורסא, ולחבוש שבר, אפילו בנטילת אבר, ולתקן לו אספלנית ורטיה, ולהנות ממנו מזור לחבורה, ולהשקותו משקין מזיעין, ולהאכילו דברים מבריאים ומסעידים או ממרקים ומנקים, בדוקים ובחונים שמועילים ובלתי מזיקים, כל כהאי גוונא ודאי עושים לו ומעשין (=כופים) אותו בעל כורחו משום הצלת נפש. ואין משגיחין בו אם הוא אינו רוצה בייסורים ובוחר מות מחיים, אלא חותכין לו אפילו אבר שלם אם… Read more »
I live in Melbourne and this article is a bunch of misrepresentations and nothing less than drivel. There is a good reason why we have one of the lowest death rates from COVID in the world and one of the highest rates of vaccinated people- around 93% at the moment. All lovely to claim civil liberties trumps all, but when the death rate and rate of infection here is so low, there is an importance given here to maintain and protecting the lives and health of our population. What the author of this article fails to acknowledge is that when… Read more »
Does it really lower viral levels, or just symptoms?..
Most of the deaths were in the height of covid, like any virus regardless of vaccine, the start is usually the worst.
Lighter symptoms vs bad symptoms can be the difference between roughing it out at home for ten days and gd forbid being put on a vent in the hospital
Yes, both Australia and New Zeleand had a low covid count and death rate since the outset and start of the pandemic. The authorities here were locking down entire cities and states over 1 and 2 cases and as a result that attracted the attention and notoriety (and in the orcoess Australia became the laughing stock) of the entire world. But did you notice that when they were locking millions of people down over 1 or 2 cases… over 90% of the population wasn’t vaccinated yet? However, when we came out of our 5th lockdown in October (after 250 days… Read more »
Shkoach. And anyone using expressions like ‘dictator Dan’ clearly is not being a rational analyst.
WHY is NO one questioning why Pfizer wants 75 years to release it’s facts???
It speaks for itself
Thankyou for the article…
Que Machiah vienne vite et tous en Bonne sante Chabat Chalom Vayehi
Merci!
I think what the author fails to realise is that for the past 2 years Australia has locked out the virus, and unlike Crown Heights, there is no natural immunity. Without the vaccine, which has been proven to heavily reduce spread and severeness of illness, there would be an absolute bloodbath R’L (or lockdown forever R’L). This is the reality. The health authorities here have done the right thing and while it’s uncomfortable and can be considered divisive, it has no doubt saved many lives. This explains the Daas Torah view to get vaccinated, as well as the overwhelming medical… Read more »
As you clearly stated, most of the deaths were in the height of covid, before the vax which is normal for any virus/pandemic, regardless of there is a vax or not.
If all these restrictions helped to keep out the virus and we achieved 95% vax rates, why do you still need to keep our the unvaxx from shul etc to stay safe?
For those who say unvaxxed carry a larger
Viral load, this is a ‘load’of rubbish. The vaxxed are still catching it and spreading it. In Australia, all outbreaks from travel, in restaurants, venues etc have been from the vaccinated as they’re the only ones allowed in these places!
Very well put. Especially loved this line “..and respect those who wish to Daven or socialise in the safest environment possible” because this seems to be a huge cause of division. It’s being taken very personally when really people simply wish to follow the law and remain safe.
The government brainwashed you to think that places only vaccinated people could go to are safe. Turns out they can spread and get sick with covid too!
So quit the segregation because it makes no difference!!!
We needed an article like this. Shamefully, there are some other communities (sadly even some Chabad houses) around the world that also enforce vaccine mandates for their shuls and events, even if the local government didn’t mandate it, all for the sake of a few extremely paranoid and hateful individuals ( who I guess still believe that the vaccine gives them ultimate invincibility and those with it can’t ever catch of spread covid, which is untrue). I can’t imagine why these amazing community leaders that I knew for years would bend to such people, but I assume they just don’t… Read more »
It’s about time people start speaking up. We all have the liberty to express are opinions weather health or political related.
Thank you
I am for the vaccine but not forcing it. But we also can’t force people to be at risk by neither taking a vaccine nor using masks. If a person is willing to use masks then there is no legitimate reason to force a vaccine. Without a mask, then the isolation advised by the Talmud is lacking. Negligence may be involved in such a policy. That creates a forced risk in the other direction towards those who don’t want to be sick. So I advise to encourage people to mask up. If everyone did this, it would have been over… Read more »
That would be for an epidemic, defined in halachah as at least a 0.6% _daily_ fatality rate among healthy working-age males. The _total_ fatality rate so far has been 0.6%, and that’s far from daily, and mostly among the elderly or overweight or immunocompromised.
Technically true in a book based discussion, but lemaaseh, the reason there is no epidemic is most likely because of masking and vaccines nowadays.
With one’s own health one could take a chance, but how to explain it to Heaven on Yom HaDin if one rolls the dice with the health of a fellow.
This is true for risking the elderly with the illness by calling it a hoax, and/or risking children with forced vaccines.
We must not risk others; nor terrify them.
Let’s have only, Ahavas Yisrael Amiti/ true love of a fellow Jew.
Ditto!!!!
Just when we melbourne lubavitch finally started getting over the royal commission, which made us look backwards and ignorant in the eyes of the community, we again shine in the spotlight as a pirimitive and backwards thinking community, spewing all types of conspiracy theories and bubbamauses and acting like we know better than all the health professionals when in fact we look like fools. Its not a frum problem because all the other frum communities here are much more pro vax. Its a lubavitch problem and everyone knows it, and its embarassing and I have no explanation for it. Can… Read more »
Lubavitchers think that they are smarter than other sects, not sure exactly why, we need to ask them. It could be because of the Lubavitcher Rebbe who is knowledgable in every subject, so they “know” what the Rebbe says on this matter.
I’m not from Melbourne but I’m also pretty confused that this is such a dilemma for a denomination that emphasizes helping others and believes every single life matters
Excellent article!
Why are so many orthodox Jews so dumb? Is it the education system? Is anyone reading books? How do we solve this?
so many people like you quick to dismiss others as “dumb”? How’s about you first try to understand a point of view different than your own? How’s about you assume that at least some of them have indeed done their own research? (The flip side: how’s about you realize that plenty of the pro-mandate folks have not, and are simply regurgitating what they’ve heard?)
What I see is the problem of our generation is, trying to impress other people by being untrue to ourselves Because of peer pressure And most importantly the Abnormal need to impress other people ( family and complete strangers) and living based on how they think we should live. Most people are scared to be themselves in Many different ways, dressing the way they want, and I’m not talking about tznius or not tznius. To help clarify, at a recent Family get together, one member of my family didn’t talk to Me, let alone say hi to me, because he… Read more »
I have a question. You have a serious cancer and are dying. There is a new drug that will save your life. You protest. It’s too new and untested. Maybe I won’t have children
Who ate the sheep ?
Can’t compare one to the other. Plus, your example prices the author’s point exactly!
It boils down to your choice. No one will or should force the person to make any decision either way.
There is, of course, a great deal of difference between “a serious cancer and are dying” and a disease that you don’t yet have, may never get or transmit, and that if you do, you have an over 99% chance of surviving (including that you may not even develop symptoms at all). To compare those two situations is blatant dishonesty.
You can’t compare covid (99% survival rate if healthy and under 65 years old) to yene machla!!???
Because people like you support these tyrannnical government restrictions and mandates, (lockdowns and what not) people are *actually* dying for ok missed cancer treatments and screenings. I know a few people myself who were on the road to recovery only to have missed appointments the past two years and they are sadly not among the living anymore…
First of all, we say “yeneh machla” in Yiddish, which translates that disease.
You cannot compare it to covid, it is much worse. Do not appreciate your lack of sensibility and sensitivity to people who have it or Lost close family and friends to it.
Towards people who have lost loved ones to covid. You all know people in our community have died from it, right?
PREACH!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o&feature=youtu.be
https://613tube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o&feature=youtu.be
Instead of calling those who don’t want to vax names like : insane, conspiracy theorist, stupid, uneducated and all kinds of other words, why don’t you actually address their concerns and questions? 1- why is natural immunity not recognized? 2- why force something that is still in it’s experimental stage (even Pfizer agrees) 3- why are we ignoring negative side effects 4- why do kids need it if they aren’t at risk 5- if you can still spread it and get it, why are you forcing me 6- if your got yours and you’re protected, why must you get me… Read more »
Because natural immunity does not last, the only way to build up actual immunity is with the vaccine. It is not in an experimental stage. This vaccine has had more research and studies done on it than any in history. The side effects are minor and are nothing compared to actually getting covid. I had both covid back in March and got the vaccine this past summer. The two don’t even come close to comparing. The side effects of the vaccine last one day, but I will be forever impacted by what covid did to my lungs. Kids are at… Read more »
You say that the only way to build up actual immunity is through the vaccine ? You getting boosters every 3 months?
You also claim that the vaccine side effects are mild? Tell that to the countless number of people (including children) who had either died, became disabled or suffered from a stroke, heart attack or blood clots
…The pro-mandaters vomit for months. Each one of these can be rebutted.
The virus mutates bc of vaccines. Bc it builds resistance.
Kids are NOT at risk. (With your logic the flu is like a cancer if you think covid is unsafe)
Again, why do *I* need one, if I already had covid and I am healthy? To keep you safe? And your family? Isn’t that the job of your vaccines?
I don’t know, but I thought that to attribute such power to anyone other than Hashem is against our Torah, and our religious belief as Jews? No one is responsible for another person dying because they did not get an experimental injection. Also, on scientific grounds, I would beg to differ: those exposed to SARS CoV1 (from Guandong Province, China) still have immunity to the second lab created strain. Just to let you know that you discredit your position when you make unscientific claims that are easily disproved by anyone who has read those papers. Natural immunity is widely recognized… Read more »
this is just the best ever and i see why these are your questions because they are also mine
1. Natural immunity is not as strong and does not last as long as the vaccine. 2. Because we are in the middle of a pandemic not planning for a pandemic in 7 years. Also, people are dying. 3. Because the risk of covid outweighs any known side effects. Did you know the “death toll” of people who received a vaccine includes someone who died in a car crash, or something totally unrelated? 4. Even if they are not as vulnerable to the disease they can still spread it to the older people are them. In fact, since they are… Read more »
The death toll off covid it’s much more over exaggerated when it comes to people having unfortunately died from many other things, yet written off as covid since they had it too, which many cases was not the cause.
how about this:
Rachelle Wolensky of the CDC has said that the vaccinated are superspreaders, and Geert Vanden Bossche DVM, PhD has explained that the vaccine is driving the mutations.
We do not vaccinate during a pandemic, because then we are selecting for more dangerous strains. At best, the jab is useless. At worst…ADE. #LookItUpYourself.
religious belief.
Religious belief is the only legitimate reason to get the jab.
There is clearly no medical or scientific reason.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/dr-peter-mccullough-blockbuster-interview-with-joe-rogan/ This is a looong interview – 2 hours 45 minutes, but quite eye opening and mind blowing. Not something you’d hear on the mainstream media. The link to the full interview is towards the bottom of the page.
This vaccine is NOT a real vaccine!
Covid 19 was created and unleashed to scare humanity into taking a shot that will lower their immune system with time, creating ADE and more ( within 1 to 5 years )
This is all in order to depopulate the world and control the survivors.
without people realizing.
WAKE UP!!!!
Tell me you’re in Dr Zelenko’s telegram group without telling me you’re in Dr Zelenko’s telegram group
Rabbi Aron wrote a great article which most Australians would agree with.
It should never have been published on an American site. We have very different haskofos.
As an Australian I agree with you….yes, Australians have very different hashkofos to Americans – I.e Aussies suffer from stockholm syndrome which came about as a result of 20 months of covid tyranny, whereas Americans tend to value their freedoms (including religious freedoms) and are not in a rush to give it up
And was apalled by his article. I know others who are too
The author has put almost everything out there clearly and easy to understand. Anyone who has the mindset to understand will. Thank you very much, greatly appreciated! Moshiach now but with chesed and rachamim!
I commend collive for publishing such common sense article.
We used to trust more in Hashem, and we used to trust our fellow man’s choices. The view’s of people we didn’t know, we discarded. Unfortunately, we now trust people we will never know, over our neighbors. We think that the CEO’s of Pfizer or the anonymous creators of WhatsApp memes care more about us than our fellow Yid. For some people, Covid can be very deadly. For many others, it’s not. Some people should get the vaccine, and others, will be fine either way. Every medication and vaccine has side effects – that’s why there’s something called VAERS. The… Read more »
At a protest in Melbourne of this medical tyranny I spoke and identified myself as a Jew. After my speech one of the head organisers asked me,” Where are the Jews?” He said it perplexed him that Jews of all people are mainly following tyrannt in lockstep because as he saw it we of all people should be alarmed at the obliteration of our human rights and the demonisation of the unvaxxed. The fact is the vast majority of all Jewish organisations here are enablers of the Covidian Cult. I explained to him that this population is mainly the descendants… Read more »
Sitting here and reading all these ongoing everlasting comments and the tragic tirade of biting remarks, of criticism, of sheer meaness and ‘shteching’ of harsh angry bitter mud slinging, of sheer spite . . and my heart is broken! Is this what we’ve been reduced to, is this where we have allowed ourselves to sink to, to lower ourselves, jew against jew, family against family, person against person? How absolutely tragic! beyond tragic! Whats it all about? What has happened to us? How have we fallen to such depths? What is going on! How are we allowing our precious kids… Read more »
We would do well to note the difference between the baseless propaganda and rhetoric on the one hand, and the reasoned, respectful, supported argument on the other. I see nothing wrong with what Yehuda Adelist has written here. We need not fear open, rational, discussion to achieve a meeting of the minds. These issues will not disappear if we stick our heads in the sand and bemoan arguing. I see no sinas chinam on the part of Adelist in writing this article, only pain and humility. I appreciate the sources and the self disclosure. People have also refused to come… Read more »
It really bothers me hearing people talk here in melbourne negatively about those who are anti vax. Everyone has a right to their own medical choices. Comments here on col calling antivaxers stupid and backwards should not be published, period. We need to be more tolerant of each other!! Having said that I do think it is irresponsible to encourage mosdos to go against gvt regulations and blame it on the rabbeim, I think that is unsensible and dangerous advice by the author and doesn’t reflect well on his cause, particularly in a place like Melbourne (where our mosdos have… Read more »
So only people who agree with you can speak? Enough with the leftism that has infected us! We have a constitution, we can speak freely, we can choose freely, we are a free people, with inalienable rights. I can speak, but you don’t have to agree. But you cannot censor. Censorship is not the answer. I’m sure when you stop to think for one minute you will see that is true. Anyway, anybody calling anyone names only reveals themselves to be what they are. have you ever noticed that when someone has nothing intelligent to say, all they can do… Read more »
Unfortunately this writer isn’t a representative of the majority view in Australia. His remarks aregarding Australia are misleading.
Moreover, the prevailing halachic opinion is to follow the medical majority.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-17/fact-check-2021-misinformation-wrap/100706224
May all those who need have a refuah shleima .
reading this ridiculious article, which reflects very poorly on collive for publishing, we should stop consulting with rabbis, doctors, even regarding life and death till yehuda adelist publishes a list of those we can trust?!
how many yidden has crown heights, new york etc lost to covid? unfortunately many
how many has melbourne lost? one
no need to be a ‘rocket surgeon’ to extrapolate…
Regardless of those numbers, you cannot force another person to do a medical procedure they don’t want.
Period.
I think that’s where the debate lies.
I don’t think anyone in CH is against saving lives (hence the extraordinary amount of other covid treatments available that fauci doesn’t want you knowing about that actually save lives).
Every life is a whole world. Let’s not forget that. If something can prevent the death of others, even if it makes us slightly uncomfortable, is that not worth it?
love your neighbor like yourself he taught us and if you’re in a desert, with one flask of water, you drink it. you do not compromise yourself for another. We do not light our children on fire to keep someone else warm. I do not gain weight because you are eating. This victim mentality and lack of personal responsibility is endemic and a large reason why our temple isn’t yet rebuilt. Let’s recall the sin of the spies, shall we? If I am I because you are you, and you are you because I am I, then I am not,… Read more »
Please read Undercover Epicenter Nurse: How Fraud, Negligence, and Greed Led to Unnecessary Deaths at Elmhurst Hospital by Erin Marie Olszewski. Please look at the CDC website, and listen to doctors who are telling us that never before have they been told to fill out cause of death on death certificates as a virus, when there was chronic illness involved, which until now, was always listed as primary cause. Please study what occurred in a handful of states here in the US, where governors were responsible for almost half of the “pandemic” deaths by infecting nursing homes with sick patients,… Read more »
Why so many in Chabad are anti vax? When basically every Chabad Posek is strongly pro vax? When Halacha says we need to listen to the majority of doctors ?
Don’t we listen to Halacha and Rabbonim and Poskim any more????
You too obviously don’t know halacha…No we do not always listen to the majority of doctors
We are a generally a pro vaccine community. Our children are vaccinated.
We are concerned about a vaccine that is new. Large majority of us had covid with strong antibodies a year later….majority have not gotten covid a second time BH.
So we are not Anti – just concerned and hesitant and prefer to use the wait and see approach
Where are the teshuvos, halachic responsa from those Rabbonim, explaining how they arrived at their unilateral decisions?
המקרא הזה אומר דרשני
Unfortunately the writer doesn’t accurately represent the views of the Australian Jewish community, just one small sector.
Moreover the accepted halachic opinion is to follow the medical majority.
You may also like to consider this general analysis:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-17/fact-check-2021-misinformation-wrap/100706224
1.How do we know what the majority consensus is among medical professionals when they are being censored and muzzled and could lose their jobs if they don’t toe the government line? It’s simply disingenuous to suggest that we rely on the “majority ” in such a situation. 2. Shulchan Aurach brings up a case 100 doctors Vs 2 Doctors – where the latter minority opinion states there is a sakona to life while the majority state that there is no sakona. The Shulchan Aurach states that when it comes to sakona hanefeshot we side with the minority opinion (I.e the… Read more »
May you be freed from that prison and be un-brainwashed ASAP.
Sometimes it takes a birds eye view to see the full picture. You guys don’t realize it but what’s going on in Australia is kinda scary and pure tyranny and corruption. Sad.
This is a very poorly written piece full of false analogies and bad logic. Worse of all it’s very dangerous and could ch”v lead to more unnecessary deaths.
And why is that?
Because you see what you want to see and don’t agree?
Again, the authors point here is not to state his opinion, nor what to do or not to do, rather not to put others down. He brings logic, just to show that if you want to argue about it, there’s reason on both sides, that is all.
The world has gone crazy the article the comments the news nothing is reliable nowadays
Firstly Thank you COL for courageously publishing this op-Ed it proves that indeed COL is a media enterprise who is genuine in their mission to keep the community informed. Information and the distribution of it has been at very foundation of what has become so corrupted over the course of the pandemic and slanting the info in such a way that serves to frighten the masses into vaccinating and the general media abstaining from criticising mandates and the basic freedoms that are violated as a result and vilifying those who don’t want to vaccinate ‘yet’ is simply a travesty and… Read more »
Applaud collive for publishing this excellent response to the article and kudos to author Yehuda Adelist for citing sources supporting his well reasoned position. Many wonder how the holocaust happened. One reason given is that good people were silent. Also, perhaps, people were turned against eachother, and their base emotions were manipulated to force them to engage in activities they otherwise may not. More people should follow Yehuda Adelist’s lead and speak up. We need more Mordechais, refusing to bow down to Haman. And at the same time, Adelist was so polite, and not insulting. There is no need to… Read more »
It seems to me that simple: there is generally nothing new about the current situation. Lets say someone has a flu, and he is prescribed by his MD stay at home, isolated. It happens thousands times each year, safe for the past one. Now, the guy is not willing to be isolated and stay home, he feels relatively well, he continues social activity as he is…. well, a sort of a guy that feels ok even with a fever – and he NOT BELIEVES IN THOSE TINY LITTLE BUGS named viruses which he disseminates around him. Now, because of him,… Read more »
Isolating is not the same as getting vaccinated because even vaccinated people can pass on the virus.
Yeah, And then if you analyze that in parallel with the revenue these drug companies have generated during this Pandemic Psy-op, and also the VAERS data consisting of over a MILLION reports of adverse CONVID “vaccine” reactions (approximately 1/10th of those reports are verified deaths from the jab)…… any Sane, self-thinking person has to ask the question, “Why are they allowed to continue to stack earnings while at the same time they’re destroying lives and they’ve been granted complete immunity from ever being held accountable OR paying for damages?” How can this possibly be explained? Logically one should come the… Read more »