By Leizer Kahn
Some of the response to my initial op-ed on COLlive.com was swift and sharp. While many people seemed to agree with my general proposition, many have raised important and relevant criticisms of my arguments. In the following paragraphs, I will attempt to address them in a concise yet comprehensive manner:
I will start by conceding a point that many have made in various forms: The comparison of a once-a-year international CTeen Shabbaton to an ordinary Friday in Yeshiva in the middle of Adar is not fair. The teens are certainly not this excited at their local event on Shabbos Mevorchim Iyar, and many bochurim are often in a heightened state of inspiration on Yud Tes Kislev or Yud Shevat. Hence, the “control group” in this comparison is distorted.
However, the reason I nevertheless made the comparison was because I think there is a kernel of truth there:
We do not do enough to teach our children to see their inherent value as a Yid and cultivate the joy that results from that, as we do with the Yidden we are mekarev. We constantly empathize the importance of doing more and it seems to come with a heavy price. This is reflected in many ways, and this was merely an (imperfect) anecdote that helped me articulate this observation.
To those who claim that the excitement of a Baal Teshuvah is short lived, I say: Agreed. But there is a certain level of passion that every Chossid should be able to exhibit. It doesn’t look like marching down Kingston and chanting, but it also doesn’t look like a zombie-like bochur roaming aimlessly through Zal, overwhelmed by all he feels he needs to do and feeling gratified by none of it.
To those who took my words as a criticism of the younger generation, I say: Chas veshalom! The most inspiring figures in my own Avodas Hashem aren’t necessarily the Shluchim and Mashpi’im of the Mems, but the Shluchim, bochurim, and yungeleit who grew up in the post-Gimmel Tammuz reality. These people are living proof of the power of Chassidus to give life to everyone, regardless of whether they saw the Rebbe.
My criticism (if it can be framed as such) is directed towards the Menahalim, Principals, Maggidei Shiurim, teachers, and Mashpi’im of many of our Yeshivos: Chassidus is a limitless resource of meaning and inspiration, and it deserves to be shared in a way that reflects that.
Why do our youth need to turn to their favorite podcast platform for them to learn about the richness and relevance of Toras Ha’Chassidus?
There are several yeshivos that seem to be cognizant of this issue and are proactive in creating a positive and uplifting environment for their bochurim. However these Yeshivos tend to be considered out of “the mainstream” (whatever that means…).
Additionally, there are many Hanhalah members in “mainstream” yeshivos who absolutely spread positive messages through their talks, farbrengens and one-on-one conversations. However I think that they are too rare, and that the standard messaging in these yeshivos is more about demanding more from the bochurim than uplifting them.
To those who say that these very same Bochurim are the ones who will soon be leading these teens and inspiring them, I say: Yes, sometimes you need to become a leader in order to find your own passion. However, the rule in Bava Kama still applies: We must ensure that our children don’t have to wait to become Shluchim to experience the richness of Yiddishkeit. We have the tools, we simply need to use them.
In closing, to those who claim that any criticism of the system is an attack in bad faith, that any attempt to change the conversation on an important issue is always detrimental, I say: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Our ultimate goal is Moshiach, and we still haven’t achieved it, over 30 years after the Rebbe implored us to get the job done. Let’s continue to pursue our goals in creative ways, while adhering to the letter and the spirit of the Rebbe’s words.
2 points: Baal teshuvas enthusiasm is sort lived. False. There is a reason why FFBs will ALWAYS regard BTs as different. And if BTs lose it, is because FFBs showed their true colors. And no one should “it’s all the BTs fault ” me. Dont make BTs, if you aren’t strong in your yiddishkeit. 2. (Last paragraph)Criticism about the system etc…. because it’s TRUE. No one writes an article that’s not true or doesnt have true to it, deep down. But people responding with denial comments – that’s always! Glad that you see the truth – hope and pray you… Read more »
I am offended by the term Baal Teshuva used for people who are NOT Baal Teshuvas, who are in reality tinok shinoshbas who found the Torah and became frum. Please use the correct term for them, tinok shinoshbas! A Baal Teshuva is someone who was raised frum, went OTD or sinned, and then repented and became frum again.
Takes longer, doesn’t look as exciting, but there is truly nothing compared to the joy learning straight up Chassidus – from inside – brings someone. At first it’s boring, of course, learning from inside is an acquired taste – but like sushi, once you love it you can’t get enough of it.
Cannot be better articulated!
It’s up to us (the young people) to revolutionize the way we see yiddishkeit. it is quite literally up to us. Sometimes that will mean saying things that make people (the older people) uncomfortable. Things that are unheard of in the history of chassidishkeit. Things like – we are worthy no matter what, and we deserve to feel the abundant light, love and life that chassidus has to offer in a way that feels true to us. RADICAL I KNOW. But what about the Rebbe’s ideas and mission wasn’t RADICAL??? We can’t be afraid to make it our own. We… Read more »
I like what you wrote. But let’s talk about the real challenges the yeshiva system produces. 1) We finish the system with no practical tools or skills to be competitive in the workforce and struggle to make a living. 2) Don’t have the social skills to properly date and relate to girls on an emotional level. 3) Have issues with feeling warm towards yiddishkeit (as mentioned in the op-ed) 4) Fall into the traps of inappropriate websites which can take years to break the habit. This may sound cynical and you can criticize me all day, but anyone who knows… Read more »
This is the truest comment I’ve seen on col ever when will we stop living in the hypothetical world of perfection and pushing issues under the rug and start actually dealing with the issues of our generation Your emotional connection to a past bygone where a bochurs most serious issue was a newspaper shouldn’t cause us to suffer by stopping you from dealing with the new reality You know it used to be osur to Write down torah shebal peh well guess what times changed and we got mishnayos Then times changed and we got gemoroh Then times changed again… Read more »
100% True! And it goes hand in hand, when we teach very makif when the shiurim and farbrangens are all polished and trying to fit a certain tziyur by default we are not speaking real, to the bochur sitting across from you rather who you rather, and when you speak fake then nothing chassidus is not one with the talmid because it was just a subject it wasn’t for real it wasn’t addressing his life it was all in theory… And so too you will have bochrim finishing yeshiva and knowing nothing about work nothing about emotions nothing about addiction… Read more »
and any book within Torah, is LISHMAH! To get close to Hashem, do His will, and because Hashem wants us to!
Lishmah is relative. And to Learn lishmah it has to be earned. After developing a love for Torah and mitzvos fulfilling God’s will understanding that’s what you came for, which is by the way already an awesome way of living, much more the lishmah than doing it to go to gan Eden you can learn a mamar that tells you I really should be even a deeper level nothing to do with me at all just to do what God wants. that’s not basic and for sure not the first step for an education system. Obviously kabalas oil is the… Read more »
all jews should learn Lishmah from day 1.
this is 100 percent true for the majority.
1) I do not think the yeshiva system should be teaching you practical tools or skills to be competitive in the workforce.
2) What specifically are you looking to learn? Every individual girl is an entirely different soul, personality, and situation. What would be good for one scenario would be bad for another. You have to tune into your intuition.
3) Why
4) go to GuardYourEyes the website
Its not even that hard to do the first one. You don’t need something even remotely close to a full secular education for that. I really think you just need yeshivas to admit that its an issue, and if they do implement a solution, to do it with a serious amount of effort.
I agree with all the points you’re saying. Our teens (bachurim and high school girls) need something more. They need to feel loved just because they are yidden. They need to see that our community invests in them as much as we invest in our future BT’s imyH! If our Cteen kids are more empowered than our own children, our gems, our future Cteen shluchim and shluchos, then we are heading on a very scary path. The question is what to do? Who will finally stand up and make an organization for our teens. (Yes the Space is beautiful but… Read more »
“But there is a certain level of passion that every Chossid should be able to exhibit. It doesn’t look like marching down Kingston and chanting, but it also doesn’t look like a zombie-like bochur roaming aimlessly through Zal, overwhelmed by all he feels he needs to do and feeling gratified by none of it.“ Particularly, the last line, “overwhelmed by all he feels he needs to do and feeling gratified by none of it.” How many of us our guilty for doing this to our children?? I, myself, am entirely guilty of this! I need to be more positive and… Read more »
With all these articles that claim the faults in the system etc Firstly , the system is run by human beings so obviously there will be faults . Putting that aside- for some reason the population seems to think that the dumbest most self centered old school people have ended up as teachers, Mashpi’im etc and all the wise pple have all ended up on the sidelines with their pearls of wisdom . Reality check, anyone – and I will repeat anyone who is in chinuch / especially Mesivta/zal/high school where it is a 24 hr 7 day a week… Read more »
Yes, but home first then system..the system takes place during the most changing time of our lives and if that isn’t in a way of positive growth then it won’t help to have the best home when you were younger
They have really figured it out. An incredible Yeshiva that everyone should try to send their bochurim to!
I don’t want to compare places because everywhere is good for certain people, but Los Angeles has probably the best mesivta there is, the shluchim there are for sure the best, that’s all I know. There really good. Like REEEEALY good.
Yidden are humans also.
Humans get bored sometimes.
No one ever said we were perfect.
Not sure why your making a big fuss out of nothing.
Of course Chassidus has what to offer. It has enough vitality and inspiration within it to enliven us that we never feel lazy again. But you know what, hashem put us in situations where we are many things challenge this task, primarily: the nature of day-to-day routine. Of course we want to be living in the Geula… Of course we would like to have an easier time with iskafia and ishapcha… Of course we would like to have an easier time with davening ba’avoda… Of course we would like to have an easier time with hisbonenus… How much do you… Read more »