Question:
May one instruct a non-Jew on Shabbos to wheel a baby carriage in the street when the parents want to visit friends or family and eat the seudas Shabbos there or they wish to participate in a Bris, Bar Mitzva or something similar?
Answer by Rabbi Shlomo Segal, dayan of the Crown Heights Beis Din (Badatz):
The prohibition of instructing a non-Jew to do work for a Jew is explained in great length in the Alter Rebbe’s Shulchan Aruch in many different chapters including the comments in the footnotes.
Three reasons are given for this prohibition:
1) When a non-Jew does work for Jew, because he was instructed by him, it is considered as he is his shliach, emissary, and an emissary is considered as the person who has instructed him. Although, we do not use this principle according to Torah, unless it is an instance of one Jew doing a something for another Jew, still our sages have considered a non-Jew doing work for a Jew as a shlichus, serving as an emissary for the Jew.
2) There is an allusion to this prohibition on Shabbos and Yom Tov in the Torah (Shmos 12:16), “On Yom Tov work should not be done”, implying that even by someone else. If this prohibition is relevant on Yom Tov, it is surely effective also on Shabbos.
3) In order that Shabbos should not be lenient in the eyes of people and they might begin doing work themselves.
As result of the above mentioned three reasons, our sages have been very stringent in instructing a non-Jew to do work for a Jew on Shabbos and have instituted decrees. 1) Even when the non-Jew is doing the work on his own for a Jew, although the Jew did not transgress any prohibition, the Jew is not permitted to benefit from the work. This also applies to Motzoei Shabbos that one cannot benefit from this work until after the time duration of the work. For example if the job was done in one hour, the Jew cannot benefit from this job until an hour after Shabbos, because on another occasion, he might directly instruct the non-Jew to do this job for him (see Alter Rebbe’s Shulchan Aruch 243:2).
The Alter Rebbe also cited this concept in Hilchos Yom Tov (chapt. 515:1), “The same applies on Yom Tov that our sages have been concerned, that if they will allow one to benefit from a non-Jew’s job done on Yom Tov, immediately on Motzoei Yom Tov, he might instruct the non-Jew to do something for him on Yom Tov, in order to have it ready for Motzoei Yom Tov. In addition to the fact that instructing a non-Jew has become very casual and is considered lenient by people, therefore our sages have decreed not to benefit from the jobs done until after the time duration of the work, in order one would not benefit from a job done on Yom Tov.
We also find that our sages have been stricter in this matter and even more than a prohibition of Torah as stated in Shulchan Aruch (chapt. 318:1), “Although when one cooks on Shabbos or does other mlochos, the food is permitted to be eaten by other people on Motzoei Shabbos, without waiting until after the time duration of the work, although it was cooked for these people, but regarding the instructing a non-Jew to do work for a Jew, if we would allow him to use it immediately on Motzoei Shabbos, there would be a suspicion that he might instruct the non-Jew to do the work on Shabbos in order in order that he would have it ready for Motzoei Shabbos. Therefore, our sages have decreed that even when the job is done for others, one should wait until after the time duration of the work.
This also applies in an instance of a Mitzva. In Shulchan Aruch (chapt. 306:5) is cited, “One is not allowed to do work through a non-Jew, even if it is for the sake of a Mitzva and he was instructed before Shabbos.
The same is cited in Shulchan Aruch (chapt. 331:8), “It is forbidden to take out a child from his house to the Bris in a shul. If it is through a karmelis, a specific domain, there are those who permit carrying the child, in order that a large crowd could attend.
Therefore, from all the above, it is obvious that instructing a non-Jew on Shabbos to wheel a child in a carriage through the street is forbidden and especially according to the Alter Rebbe in chapt. 325, where he wrote, “One should be stringent in our type of public domain. Although 600,000 people do not pass in it every day, it is considered a public domain from the Torah. And in a status of public domain, one cannot permit it even if it was for the sake of a Mitzva.”
Therefore one should alert people who figure that it is permitted they should refrain from doing so on Shabbos.
Thanks for this article. While this is an important way to communicate Halacha from Sinai, it’s not enough.
Where are the shiurim for men and women? Why isn’t there a large shiur once or twice a month for both men and women and time for questions? Nothing beats the in-person approach. There should be large classes AND small classes in homes.
I know there are some classes at Getzel’s Shul sometimes. We need more, on the basics—and fast!!!
First and foremost, the concept of shalom bayis is stronger than any other technical halachic concept or even directive of the Rebbe. Your relantionship with your spouse is more imporant than your relationship with your Rebbe and the Rebbe himself approved this obvious fact. It is a given that some women feel trapped inside their houses during those long shabbosos. That does not mean they dont want spend quaility time with kids. They do, but they also want to go out and enjoy Shabbes in its fullest sense. By not being able to go out strife and tzures in the… Read more »
How cana housekeeper or maid continue working for people on shabbos?
Laundry and mopping are *not* ossur. Where did you get such nonsense? So long as she is free to do it after Shabbos, if she chooses to do it on Shabbos she is allowed.
There is no problem with a non-Jew using your dishwasher on Shabbos. Nobody is going to think you are using it. Noawadays we have all kinds of strange noises coming from our homes, for all kinds of unexplained reasons, so anyone passing your home and hearing the dishwasher won’t jump to the conclusion that you must be breaking Shabbos. They will more likely assume that it’s some automatic process, or something on a timer, or that a non-Jew is doing something. About Lubavitch, I don’t accept your word. If you claim there is a teshuva from the Tzemach Tzedek, give… Read more »
I am a man. I come home from shul by 1pm. We have lunch. We have a baby at home. My wife often goes out shabbos afternoon… or sometimes i go to shul early and get home by 11am. WHy is it the WOMEN stuck at home all of shabbos? HUSBANDS come home! Do you stay in 770 until shekiah like the “Old days”? How come everyone is writing of mothers trapped at home? Fathers step up!
As young mother with few little babies living outskirts CH in a tiny appartment ….. no Goya helper or park near the building … no crowd to invite for the meal – 1- no space 2- all our friends stuck at thier house too …Yes I enjoy my kids but will be nice to have a company or see a shul on Shabbes …. Husband is in the shul till 2-3 pm …. It’s his only vacation from the busy work during the week to enjoy us ….Why I should stack home or go alone at night to any women… Read more »
The rav from 23 clearly said that there would be no heter in crown heights, only by asking a rav from ch who can tell you where you can apply the heter and where not.
Also, in your own quote, the alter rebbe says what everyone says, that the heter of an eruv is because of the shita that holds that there has to be 600k ppl.
So, to say that the alter rebbe doesn’t hold of an eruv is completely wrong.
there must be a way to put our heads together as a community.
work together to create a system where mothers can get out on Shabbos and a high school girl or older woman can watch the kids for a bit.
if we work Together we can figure out creative solutions for women in our community having a hard time on Shabbos, while adhering to the Halachic rulings of the Rabbis in our community.
We live in Sydney where there is now an eruv. I truly believe that it enhances Shabbos. I HATED being stuck at home during those long summer shabbosim. Now I see families pushing strollers and carrying salads to friends and I see them happy and smiling. By motzoi Shabbos for 17 years I was ready to cry. BH we had a park just a block away and my children walked early so they could get out by the time they were about 13 months. If there is an eiruv where you live and you object to using it, then DONT.… Read more »
And shluchim who have 100s of guests…?
All of you saying people who use an eruv are “modern” etc. etc. please watch your words especially during the 3 weeks. An Eruv is a mitzvah drabonon on which you make a brocho. Many CHABAD only shechunas (Morristown, Kfar Chabad, EVERY SUMMER CAMP) have an eruv. A personw ho uses an eruv is not a bad or necessarily “modern” person. Please stop implying otherwise This article deals with a non-eruv situation.
Please read the alter rebe shulchan aruch that concluds that a stree that is 16 amot is a reshut harabim, so also kefar chabad is a reshus harabim, so eastern parkway in mot question at all, even the lane near president st. this is the words of the alter rebe, שולחן ערוך הרב אורח חיים סימן שמ”ה סעיף י”א איזו היא רשות הרבים רחובות ושווקים הרחבים ט”ז אמה על ט”ז אמה שכן היה רוחב הדרך במחנה לוים שבמדבר. והוא שאינם מקורים ואין להם חומה סביב ואפילו יש להם חומה אלא שהם מפולשים משער לשער דהיינו שהשערים מכוונים זה כנגד זה… Read more »
#23.
If you are a Rov and stand by your comments, can you please let us know who you are.
I moved to crown heights and Shabbos gets so depressing now without an eiruv. My baby needs to get out of the house and I need to for my own sanity. We need an eiruv! I just had enough.
Why should us women be locked up all day?! This isn’t fair.
I was very surpised when I also heard that a lubavitcher Rav gave someone a heter to get a stroller pushed on Shabbos for a Simcha. Not sure who the Rav was. My Rav never gave a heter for such a thing
please explain yourself
In my city where there is an eruv, chassidim that don’t use the eruv have no problem asking a Jew who does use the eruv to carry things for them- using a Jew as a Shabbos Goy!!!!
i know you mean well but there are some mistakes ther- dishwasher is ossur(any melocho that makes noise is ossur)
Lubavitch did not have an eiruv and they tried finding a heter I am not imagining it is a fact.(a tshuva in tsemach tsedek)
Laundry is ossur !!even if you didnt tell her. even mopping is ossur- you must stop her
babies every 18 months
by all yidden
These are happy questions,
The Rebbe said the Sicha to have children, to have Brochos and bring Moshiach, and nine months later the Sholom Zochor announcements Friday night took much longer By Unz Aleh
You know, all those guests could really help clean after the seuda
it is not as if you are asking them to clean the toilet…
anyway, expect the parents to go crazy
even with a hundred helpers
Boni Chayi uMezoni Revichi uBekulom Revichi
Moshiach Now!
halacha is not about your feeling but about shulchan aruch, and if shulchan aruch sais that you cant do something then you cant do it even if you have 500 guest, so just figure out (ask a rov) how you can have a goya working for you on shabbos according to the shulchan aruch,
In kovetz ha Shluchim there is a teshuvah about this and it permits it so strange who is right???
To number 23, You are not a Rov and shame on you for not knowing basic Halacha according to the Alter Rebbe who is the Mara Dasra in Crown Heights, who explicitly forbids what you write. If you are a RABBI, then you should remember the Hayom Yom about mezacke es Horabim and Machti es Horabim…..enough said. And if one person is mechallel Shabbos using a goy because of what you wrote, the sin is on your hands!
This problem could be solved instantly by building an eruv!!! Ppl who feel that its not kosher enough or the rebbe didnt want one dont have to use it… But it should be an option for the people who do want to get out on shabbos. Whats better? For people to be doing something against halacha like getting a non jew to push the stroller for them or just building an eruv?!?!!!
those that need to read these articles, don’t
There is NO secret eruv and lets not fool and mislead ourselves or others.
I couldn’t wait for Shabbos to be over when my kids were all little. If there’s no way around it al pi halcha then so be it but that doesn’t change the reality.
#5, if it’s her steady job to do the laundry, and it’s up to her when to do it, and SHE chooses to do it on Shabbos, she’s allowed. But you can’t tell her that you need the clothes to be ready right after Shabbos. You can tell her you need them by Sunday morning, and it’s up to her whether to do it on Shabbos or after Shabbos. #8 The main source for the Rebbe’s opinion on eruvin is his letter to R Kasher about the proposed Manhattan eruv. In that letter the Rebbe explicitly wrote that he is… Read more »
I’m a rabbi and do not mean to pasken at all, but… this psak sounds rash and extreme. The truth of the matter is: In a place where the “reshus harabim” it’s really a “karmelis” in other words “derabanan” one may ask a non-jew to carry for him for a Mitzvah. So in regards to most cities, the “reshus harabim” is really a “karmelis” one would be allowed to ask a non-jew to take a stroller for the mitzvah of seudas shabbos and the sanity of the mother. The distress of the mother or visiting grand parents should be considered… Read more »
There is an Eruv around parts of crown heights. Only the people who put it up know about it and it’s locations. (I helped put it up). Due to community backlash, and fear of it being torn down, it is of up-most secrecy.
are you kidding me???? You must be a male and if not a really pathetic women! Just because our mothers and grandmothers were stuck in their houses all shabbos why does that make it okay??? And what about those mothers in a tiny one,two, three bedroom and the kids are going bananas?!? Yes the mother can “escape” for maybe an hour but why can’t the mother be able to go to shul or out to eat for lunch???? I am a “chassidish” mother, and the fact that I want to be able to go out to eat on shabbos doesn’t… Read more »
I know that in Kfar Chabad , years ago there were many or maybe even most of the men did not carry
today, with all the modernity around i have no clue
In a place like crown heights where Friday night and shabbos meals are packed with people at our table I feel it us okay to have a goyeh come in and clean up! If we need to host all the guests from around the world then we need the help too. Can’t have a baby every 18 months, have guests, no Goyeh and be super woman!
LETS Be pRACTICAL AND realustic.
a goyeh can do what you are allowed to do, washing dishes, however if you see her mopping the floor you must stop her. i am almost sure she can use warm water to wash dishes bec. it is easier for HER bec. technically you can wash with cold. any melocho, vacuuming, mopping, whatever is ossur for you is ossur for her. about the Rebbe wanting an eiruv, he only wanted it for those who would be carrying without an eiruv , NOT FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD CARRY WITHOUT AN EIRUV- or to permit the goyeh to wheel(not even sure… Read more »
Well said. Spot on.
I once asked a Lubavitcher rov if a goy could wheel my stroller so I can go to a bar mitzvah, I was allowed for that 1 time, so it’s always good to ask.
I always had that question
If you have a goya, and she is home alone, and there is no one to walk in on her, according to R moshe feinsten your dishes are all Treif!. There are many problems besides laundry on shabbos
Rabbi Segal, please discuss the issue of placing a backpack on a young child because you don’t want to leave the house without diapers, bottles etc.
I see several of these children who are being used as a “shabbos goy” every shabbos.
Very much appreciate this article. It is clear and easy to understand. I have been confused about this for a long time.
May it help bring awareness!
If it’s hard for a parent to be “locked up” with her baby on Shabbos, then ask a friend or relative to come over to spend the day with you, or to watch your baby while you “escape” to things that are more meaningful to you than enjoying the company of your own child(ren). Besides, your husband goes to shul and gets in a schmooze with his friends, and there’s nothing wrong with him spending quality time with the baby while you take the older children to the playground or spend time with your friends after the shabbos seudah. For… Read more »
We need more of these short, concise and definitive answers to issues like this, so people won’t be swayed by the less frum / modern-orthodox in our community.
Now if someone really cares about keeping shabbos, s/he will know that you can’t have a non-Jew push your baby
stroller on shabbos.
How does this apply to having a helper come in on Shabbos morning to clean up from Friday night? or coming in on the 3rd day of a yom tov – while it is still yom tov, and clean up or for example pack away pesach dishes on the last day of pesach (while it’s still yom tov)?
What’s the the source to what you stated, that the rebbe is for making an eruv?
Yishar Koach!!!
How many people carry-on shabbos there would be an eruv up next week I’m a Chasideshe yungerman and it’s time for an eruv
homes with live in are having their kaundry done on shabbos and the family feel its okay because they never specifically asked for the laundry to be done on shabbos. these families mean welk but are amei haaretz. we have a generation of ignorant peoplein laws of shmiras shabbos
There are plenty of places for people to live other than Crown Heights. The Rebbe gave brocos to locations outside of Crown Heights to have an Eruv but never for one in Crown Heights and for good reason. Crown Heights is the “Epicenter of Lubavitch” and it needs to spread forth Yiddishkeit to the world over. Many of the people that “want” and “push for” an Eruv in Crown Heights also want to be “modern Lubavitch” or better yet “enlightened Lubavitch”. While that is fine and good outside of Crown Heights it has no place within it. Take your kapotes… Read more »
… and he was for making an eruv, but against letting anyone know about it. For all we know there might be a secret eruv already in CH, but since it’s secret we can’t know about it.
Time to get an Eiruv in crown heights! People are already carrying without Gentiles’ help. It is not healthy to lock up mothers for years on end.
There is a new Magayfha and that’s women/men instructing there care takers to call friends care taker and there is an entire conversation about when to meet in the park all done on shaboos kodesh.