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This may sound crazy, but . . .
August 19, 2012 12:27 am

I am not suggesting that everyone has to marry somebody whose background differs from his or her own, but I believe that genetic problems resulting from excessive inbreeding in our world of chomer reflect analogous deficiencies flowing from imbalances on the level of tzurah.

If you're looking for a good girl - look to Toronto!
August 12, 2012 5:27 pm

I agree that Toronto is a place to look, if you are looking for a good girl.

Similar backgrounds
August 12, 2012 12:20 am

Usually similar backgrounds is a good basis when considering a shidduch. That the boy and girl had a similar background. Before any BT get bent out of shape and twisted into a pretzel, is there any doubt at all that a BT has a different background than a FFB???

What the ....?
August 11, 2012 12:59 pm

I read that a few Gezhe claim to actually be better or higher than BT. Really. Can one whole group of people actually be better or higher than another whole group? I wonder what would happen if there were an honest appraisal between the two groups, person by person. I mean appraisal of ethics, morals, fairness, level of conscientiousness, empathy, compassion, kindness, patience, understanding, etc., not appraisal of money, # of children, owner of material things, how many hours a week someone davens, which school they attended, etc. Let us see what the result would look like.

To Mr. Perfect-
August 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Are you kidding me? Are you planning to marry a person, or a stuffed doll? I would not encourage my daughter to consider marrying a guy who proclaimed himself as “perfect”. No one else can measure up, mostly because NO ONE is perfect. Most women of depth find it attractive when an intelligent man can have a lot going for him, including the awareness that he has a few things to work on. That would indicate to intelligent women that he values self improvement and growth. I am wondering where you got the idea that “perfect” was a realistic assessment… Read more »

Toronto Girls have it ALL
August 10, 2012 6:57 pm

I agree that girls from Toronto have special qualities. I took for my son a kallah from Toronto and for my next son I would first look to Toronto. The girls have an aidelkeit, mentchlechkeit, and good upbringing.

Agreed with 97
August 9, 2012 8:44 pm

Torah Umadda seems to be best for all the makarev’d BTs. Why spend that money on a broken system that made you to reject you? Why not spend it on a system that will support you after the hardship of family/friend rejection and work with you to support yourself like it says in Pirkei Avos!!!!

To #58
August 9, 2012 3:09 am

I am a senior citizen, so I’ve been around for a while, and I have NEVER heard another human being call themselves “perfect”. You scare me. Your comment confuses me. How does ANYONE declare themselves perfect?

To #58
August 9, 2012 3:00 am

Are you serious? You sound like someone looking for a business, not a marriage. Don’t you think if you put a bit of your heart in the equation you might be more successful at being desirable? I might have all the “qualifications” that suit you, but I might feel you seem too robotic. On the other hand, maybe there is someone out there who doesn’t mind hearing your standards. Would you state them just as you did here?

To 89
August 8, 2012 10:18 pm

If you were a plate I would break the plate and shout mazel tov.

89 is invited to CAY
August 8, 2012 3:32 pm

Dear Shaliach,

When you come to Crown Heights, visit us at CAY. You will see the beauty of true BT’s and with introspection you will discover that it is you who wallow in mud and is covered by worms and snails. Then join us for a Havdalah and fee yourself from the dirt while lifting your soul in spiritual flames. Join us at CAY – you may remain as long as you want and we won’t see your faults, because we only see your pure soul.

91# MEANT # 89
August 8, 2012 10:26 am

SORRY PUT THE WRONG NUMBER BY MISTAKE – WAS SO UPSET BY 89’S LACK OF INTELLIGENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND AHAVAS YISROEL.
( SORRY 86 NOT YOU)

I'm with 92 and 93
August 8, 2012 7:59 am

I became frum thanks to shaliach’s family. Was it a necessary step in my life? I am not certain – since I have experienced the comments and attitudes like #89’s first. This too has given me a hard time in shidduchim in the Chabad community. I certainly can say that I have grown in the ways of Torah U’Madda (thanks to my education at YU) and found that the Modern Orthodox community is accepting and non-judgemental quite contrary to Chabad. I would suggest that as much as Chabad doesn’t like the term “kiruv” – stop makareving people if you can’t… Read more »

to number 89 from ffb
August 8, 2012 7:58 am

Sorry to enlighten u but after 120 yrs u will be lying in mud amongst the worms and snails, but if u dont do teshuva for those disgusting words , ur soul will also have an eternity of mud, worms and snails. BE CAREFUL!!

To 89
August 8, 2012 6:17 am

Your moshel of a plate covered in dirt and worms and snails illustrates that the plate is never affected in any way by the dirt or worms on it. It is only because YOU saw the plate in such a state that you lose your appetite to eat from such a plate. In fact, you also realize that there is nothing wrong with the plate, especially now that it is all cleaned up. It is just the image in your head that stops you from using the plate. Basically, you acknowledge that the fault lies with you. It’s not the… Read more »

A thought I once heard...
August 8, 2012 12:31 am

Yichus is just a bunch of 0s thrust into your hands. It means nothing, unless you are the ONE that makes them into 1,000,000.

to 89
August 7, 2012 10:56 pm

Your comment is offensive – your soul is covered in worms and snails.

to #89
August 7, 2012 10:33 pm

If you can call a BT’s neshama, who is a tinok shenishba, something that is covered in worms and dirt, i feel for you. Your ahavas yisrael clearly hasn’t extended as far as you may wish to pretend.
That attitude is exactly the reason so many BTs get disillusioned after a few years of seeing the real attitudes and views behind the PC Chabad House pretense.

to 86- POMPOUS CHAMOR
August 7, 2012 10:16 pm

You learn chassidus? You call yourself one of the Rebbes messengers? You are nothing but a snob. I wonder if when rosh hashana comes around and your dirty avaraivos make their way infront of the Kesay Hakovod if the Abishter will show such contempt for you? There are so many that are on a place you will never in this lifetime merit to be in . You think you are too good for those like Raish Lakish ?, you don’t have the understanding or the merit .- there isnt any place for them – to filled with your own gayva… Read more »

Wow #73 is right on..
August 7, 2012 9:37 pm

I am related to the Rambam on my mothers side..so what ? The Sefardim were the rich aristocrats while in russia the Jews were potato farmers so theres no need to make yourself superior unless you have a deep need to raise yourself above others due to an inferiority complex. The Gemara says a father may take pride and gets reward for his sons accomplishments as he had a hand and worked towards it, but a son gets no reward if his father was a tzaddik and he is nothing. In the end all this Gezshe stuff goes against he… Read more »

Shaliach: ffb shidduch with bt
August 7, 2012 6:39 pm

I saw a dinner plate lying in the mud. It was covered with slimy worms and snails. I picked up the plate, carried it home, washed off the dirt, worms and snails. I keep the plate in my house. It is now a beautiful plate. But I cannot bring myself to eat from this plate because i can still picture the worms and snails on it. I was mekarev many plates. I cleaned up their souls. They lived in my house, like family. They turned into beautiful sparkling Yidden. I love them with all my heart. But I cannot make… Read more »

To #85 from #76
August 7, 2012 5:52 pm

“keep in touch” – how?

It is a boy's market
August 7, 2012 4:29 pm

I get that it’s a boy’s market – but do the mother’s of these boys need to be so arrogant? once the honeymoon is over, that great catch may realize that her husband is not her perfect match.

This article is briliant!
August 7, 2012 2:56 pm

Wow, thanks col for posting!

perfect boy number 76
August 7, 2012 1:33 pm

i have perfect girl , geshe smart not looking for torontoian boys , keep in touch

russian mother
August 7, 2012 2:10 am

please repost the article very good excellent on how to accept one to each other at young age not when gezhas reach 30 and +, good to recycle.. sorry, i have boys and girls with russian accent and recipes for cholent too

father gezha
August 7, 2012 2:02 am

I will certainely give my daughters with no problem to a BT and BT’s wish is to find someone gezha, he will straight out my daughters, out of the derech, very pretty blond, slim & smart in Crown Heights …good personality just a little bit moody??????

To #72
August 7, 2012 12:12 am

“find me 5 father-in-laws like that” – in Toronto there are many anash that are very “comfortable” and live in mansions (at least 5 anash there are $ucce$$ful lawyer$) and they have most or all of the criteria this perfect bochur seeks in a father-in-law.

#58 from #65
August 6, 2012 10:59 pm

Maybe its time for you to take a fine landing on planet earth? Having fun, I take it? I find your double standard quite amusing…

Who was Dovid HaMelch's great-grandmother?
August 6, 2012 10:49 pm

what is there to argue about?

Passionatley agree
August 6, 2012 9:54 pm

B’h
Lineage is nothing, well almost meaningless. As in finding ones bashert.
Just take a look at our Avos none of us has worse parents then they and yet look at what they produced…. We create our own lineage. Hatzlacha

#77 had a bit too much to drink
August 6, 2012 9:53 pm

Toronto girls “are ghettoish in their own way” – I guess that is because Toronto girls are classy, tzniusdik, aidel and have good midos. You wrote “I would rather my own” – just as some would rather a beer and hot dog than a fine wine and steak. In Toronto itself there are those who live “down-south”-yeshiva community (area code 416) and those who live “up-north”-chabad gate/shluchim community (area code 905). I don’t know if the Toronto girls that #76 recommends are the ones living “down-south” or “up-north”. #60 wrote that Toronto has Torah and Gedulah (folks there have ruchniyus… Read more »

to 76 toronto
August 6, 2012 5:50 pm

Save yourself for shiduchim yes the toronto girls are “out of towners” but they are gttoish in their own way and from my experience i would rather my own kinda getto girl then theirs

To #65 from #58
August 6, 2012 5:42 pm

There are very few “perfect” boys like me. No local girls fit my criteria – besides I want an out-of-towner who had a normal upbringing (not in the box / ghetto). I hear that Toronto has a good selections of Lubav-shidduch-aged girls that fit my criteria but I don’t know any Toronto shaddchonim.

WHY WHY WHY WHY
August 6, 2012 4:01 pm

My heart goes out to these boys and girls who dont come from gezhe families when at heart they are some of the most amazing people meanwhile i know many many people that do come from these lineages and throw it all away and are not even religous today but ride their lives out on the fact that they come from a home of their status why is this so hard to see that its every person to himself and not from which family they are and why are people saying how beautiful these articles are arent they supposed to… Read more »

Cooking can be taught! #6
August 6, 2012 3:29 pm

Just like midos and mentchkeit – something your obvious have no idea about- I fear for your decendents!!!!

BT CHOLENT?...WHAT ... AN ...IDIOT!!!
August 6, 2012 3:19 pm

You need a therapist! # 6- so do half the people in CH! Anyone can learn to cook chulent. Youre an idiot And an example of the idiots in your self rightous circles. Way back we all came from one man whose relatives sold and worshiped idols – and even further than that, believe it or not every human being came from Adom. We are all the same. Its you who think you have a free ride on your grandfathers coattails, because he did something that gave him a special status. Its all his own . You did nothing to… Read more »

th #58
August 6, 2012 1:26 pm

that IS too much to ask for!!!! evryone wants all those “mylos”,so go ahed…find me atleast 5 fther-in-lows like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gezhe
August 6, 2012 1:22 pm

The Rebbe once told a Baal TEshuva that gezhe he inherited from his father in law. he had no choice. but baalei teshuvos are his chassidim!!

from 770
August 6, 2012 1:17 pm

please repost this article every week people need to read over and over until it goes to their brain thats nothing wrong with BTs and gezha will have a different attitude, better word “no gahava”.

Make your own yichus
August 6, 2012 12:12 pm

The irony is that many so called BT’s come from families that were once frum just like the so called ‘gezhe’ only 1 – 5 generations ago. While the so called ‘gezhe’ have children or grandchildren who are now fray and will have to become BTs to become part of the frum world once again.

In 20 years from now we will have a phenomon of garndchildren of BT”S with their own yichus not wanting to marry grandchildren of ‘gezhe’ who have to rebuild their yichus once again.

Yichus is something that ‘you make it or break it’.

Midos?
August 6, 2012 11:42 am

Good MidoT never got anyone far in life

from 770
August 6, 2012 10:30 am

EXPECTING MUCH MORE COMMENTS, SHADCHANIM CONTINUE YR BEAUTIFUL JOB AND PARENTS STOP TO SELECT, SHIDDUCHIM WILL HAPPEN MUCH FASTER, LET HASHEM DO HIS WORK TOO, NO GEZHA AND NO BT, NO ASHKENAZY, NO SFARDY, NO LITVISH JUST A GOOD NESHAMA WITH REAL GOOD MIDOS!!

old single bt - just want to be married already
August 6, 2012 10:13 am

i admit, i prefer an ffb, but not many singles around period for an older bt; ffbs tend to come up as suggestion, i think just since that is what is in CH, not many single female bts in their 30s

TO #58
August 6, 2012 8:15 am

Well, do you think some family out there really wants a son in law like you? I am young lady with parents who are well to do, definately not a choseva family at all…..and I can say with much confidence to you that my parents would say a big fat NO to you with your arrogance….and well I hope you weren’t serious with what you said in your post and best of luck!! (and your post does contradict itself in a few instances….fyi).

hey what about me??!!
August 6, 2012 7:53 am

not gezhe ( married to half gezhe,the other being like me) and not BT but ffb Europian background . now WE know how to cook, bake, dress ,are balebatish,good looking, strong confident, and know the true meaning of doing chesed!! I think everyone should stick to their own kind and devorce rate will go down!

True Story
August 6, 2012 7:24 am

I am a baal teshuva Chasid and married a gezhe girl.
My gezheh in-laws disowned my wife for choosing mw and emotionally abused her for many years.

BT’s should know there is an element of prejudice in Chabad and to realize that this is completely against the Rebbe who many say favored BT’s.

When one gezhe chasid complained to the Rebbe that he was favoring BT’s, the Rebbe said, “Nu! Become a BT!”

Be careful of the yetzer hora that is clothed in a hat and a kapote.

To #6
August 6, 2012 3:16 am

Take it from a BT. You’re closed mindedness and lack of sociability is exactly why i wouldn’t marry an FFB. CH need to get their values in check. those carrying the torch of Lubavitch are in fact – BTs.

What is with this crazy Gezhe Bashing!?!
August 6, 2012 3:12 am

I just read all of the comments after this beautiful article and a good many of them are bashing gezhe. Let’s see the good midois mentioned here and just stop putting each other down!!!! Everyone has their own maalos whether BT, Gezhe, Sfardi, Chasseedish, etc. Just make sure you are the best you that you can be and forget about putting other people down.

To #58
August 6, 2012 1:55 am

You should look for a shidduch in Toronto, Canada – there you can find everything you are looking for – Torah u’Gedulah b’mokom echad!

To #30
August 6, 2012 12:06 am

Thank you. Your sensibilities speak to the highest of human ideals. I am proud to be a Jew when I read such words. (Sometimes I feel horrible when I read comments of a blindly prejudice and intolerant nature, written by Jews, especially when they speak from a SUPPOSED spiritual loyalty.)

My Shidduch Criteria
August 5, 2012 11:27 pm

I am “perfect” bochur, looking for a future father-in-law that comes from a chosheve family, is geshmak and has toichen, is a ben-Torah, is balabatish, has (lots of) money and can “help out”, lives out-of-town (ideally, in a mansion), owns a few cars.

The potential girl needs to be beautiful, slim, kind hearted, good middos, frum-tznius-chassidish but normal, smart, accomplished, a go-getter (not lazy), happy person, warm, talented in running a house/family.

Is that asking too much? Why should I settle for less?!

Pinchos Woolsdtone
August 5, 2012 10:54 pm

What is Gezhe really. person who for two or three or four generation had relatives whol ived in a certain place davened a certain nusach and had a connection with a raebbe of Chabad. All that is fine but does it make the person a better Chosid. Do they have better middos are they bigger talmidei chachomim So whats the fuss about.. I am a direct descendent of the Alte Rebbe so what?.Another Chabadnik thats all.. Maybe we a just a group of self righteous farmers from russian villages. The who Gezhe thing is sickening. Small people desperately trying to… Read more »

to all
August 5, 2012 10:53 pm

Why is everyone here attacking gezah? What do u expect of people she grew up in Russia with no food or any sort of education? The biggest culturel achievement in life was to empty out bottles of vodka….. They are not racists, they are just unhappy with their current inner self situation and constently refer to their grandparents origin as a way to elevate themselves. Please go easy on them.

to #6
August 5, 2012 9:14 pm

Agree to disagree!

to #6
August 5, 2012 9:09 pm

“Therapist” you have got to get a therapist urself, u desperately need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gheze
August 5, 2012 4:31 pm

Its not yichus they look for – it’s how much $$ one has – that’s the new gheze.

Hitler
August 5, 2012 4:30 pm

Didn’t care if you were gezhe or bT…all jews were thrown in the gas chambers…not so long ago. We are not much different.

A jew is a jew.

To number 19
August 5, 2012 4:20 pm

Right on! I am exactly the same as you.

Realistic Old Timer Is an Old Time Racist
August 5, 2012 4:12 pm

Realistic Old timer you stereotype and are a bigot.

How come there is no holocaust education in lubavitch institutions?

Maybe if we taught our kids about how we have lost 6 million due to prejudice and stereotyping they would realize that the gezheh KKK and putting down is downright evil and will eventually lead to sinas chinam.

bigotry and prejudice is the height of insecurity. Deep down we are all the same and G-D willing every gezheh person can call themselves a BT.

friend of BT
August 5, 2012 3:51 pm

‘Some of my best friends are BTs. All BTs would love to become Gesha or at least marry one. Please, BTs are very very jealous of Gesha. You don’t have to be. Be yourself and do what is right.

cholent
August 5, 2012 1:40 pm

As a BT I admit that my cholent might not be as good as what they served in Rostov, but I do know a few things about how to cook it:

1. If the smallest ingredient is missing, it can throw off the recipe.

2. You need to give it time for the flavors to work together.

Of course, everything is a lesson in avodas Hashem, so draw your own conclusions.

well said
August 5, 2012 1:27 pm

Yasher koach to Rabbi Lipskier. I also want to commend the chasid who wrote comment #30–your message needs to get out, and I would love to see a full-length opinion piece on COL addressing this theme.

out of interest,
August 5, 2012 1:24 pm

where is this sicha?
nice article!

I dont know......
August 5, 2012 12:43 pm

in my humble opinion every person is their own Yichus……..

I really like the ideas in this article.
August 5, 2012 12:13 pm

Being in shidduchim is so confusing sometimes and its nice to find some articles that give you a moment of clarity.
Yasher Koach and please keep them coming!
(its also refreshing to see peoples response to this article)

Beautiful article!
August 5, 2012 12:09 pm

Well said!

Great article
August 5, 2012 12:03 pm

Well made if slightly naive
The author is gez — would he let his daughters
Marry a BT??

770 russian gezha
August 5, 2012 10:59 am

Great title Rabbi Lipskier.. and agree with #19 and others if money, gezhe will close their eyes but BTS will not closed their eyes on their midos, laziness, taking advantage of others or being greedy…40/50 years later we all see and know what gezha are capable to do????????????????

to 26
August 5, 2012 10:51 am

what r u talking about

so if hes poor he shouldn’t be able to marry off his children

Realistic old timer
August 5, 2012 10:38 am

obviously all the comments putting down gesha and promoting BTs are written by BTs. Let’s face it, there is a difference. Why can’t BTs stick together and Gezash stick together. The BTs have a different mentality, think differently and see life in a different light than the Gezah. A

Beautiful but...
August 5, 2012 10:22 am

I totally get the article, think its very well written, and believe it brings out a very good point. However, I don’t understand something. Why the whole gezhe/BT debate to begin with? A shidduch isn’t about who I’m accepting of, prejudice against, who I would socialize with etc. It’s not a job interview. It’s who I am going to MARRY. Spend the rest of my LIFE with. Build a HOME with. Wouldn’t I want someone I can relate to? Be myself with? Have the same outlook on life? Have a similar background? I dont understand why people get so defensive… Read more »

Cool Vort!
August 5, 2012 7:36 am

I heard that Geze are compared to carrots.
The best part is underground…

continuation of 32
August 5, 2012 7:32 am

And yes, if you open sharei shidduchim you see the Rebbe totally gives room to make it a priority to marry into Yichus. Yitzchok looked for Yichus and look at the Rebbe- OHO he married Yichus!!! loool

And with all that I love BT;s children
A daughter of BT

Different personality
August 5, 2012 7:29 am

I like the way someone discribed Bt here- ”Why don’t you analyze the fact that most BTs are more dedicated and honest and emesdik than you so-called “Gezhe” …”. It is soooo true!!! I looooove the fact my parents are BT and I would never give up on this sincerity and emesdigkaid BT children have. I am obviously looking for BT children. I will simply understand their bckgrnds better, identify more with them. Balei Teshuva!!! Why would you want to give up on that and marry Gezhe (which obviously have their own maalos) And yes, I love my mother s… Read more »

to number 26
August 5, 2012 6:11 am

what are you on about i do not get it your saying that if your father is poor you should not marry in to a poor family but then cotrodict by saying that no one should marry poor people

To #16
August 5, 2012 4:33 am

Is there a problem with not being able to make cholent and having tuna fish on a Shabbos table?

Btw, if Rivka Imeinu would be around today do you think she would get a shiduch? Or would everyone write her off because she came from a wicked family?

to #26
August 5, 2012 4:22 am

Well put!

cholent pot
August 5, 2012 2:11 am

excellent idea finally we got to the point, may be thats why we got into this famous crisis of shidduchim, according to shadchanim in crown heights, that gezhe personality always comes up, may be, may be, may be? unless something wrong with the gezhe child then is good for a BT, divorced parents or sefardim !! what a wrong attitude

Ad Mosai?
August 5, 2012 1:54 am

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics. It can also refer to unfounded beliefs[1] and may include “any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.” For the record, prejudices kills. We must not continue the bigotry, racism and hatred for secular jews, non-jews and animals. Just because your parents held these views doesn’t mean you have to continue the negativity which disintegrates homes and shalom bayis. The use of the word shvartze… Read more »

Mazel Tov 770
August 5, 2012 1:53 am

Finally someone can stand up and talk, a Big Yasher Koach Rabbi Lipskier, continue your articles we want to read on shidduchim, how to accept each other with no gezzha attitude, money or name of the family JUST FOR WHO YOU ARE!!
but unfortunately when it comes into MAASSE FOR A SHIDDUCH attitude of gezzha comes back even for a 2nd of 3rd generation of BTS. so be a true Chossid !!

to # 16
August 5, 2012 1:45 am

grow up! you have some serious soul-searching needed!

can not believe
August 5, 2012 1:34 am

i cant believe it you are fighting over cholent!!!!

When looking for a shidduch....
August 5, 2012 1:24 am

Remember the following rule;

If your father is poor, it’s your fate; if your father-in-law is poor it’s your stupidity!

agree with 6
August 5, 2012 12:59 am

some gezhe dont want to marry bt’s for whatever reason it is.
dont blame shiduch crisis on this. there’s enough bt bochrim for bt meidlach!!

There are lots more types of lubabs then just gezhe and bts...
August 5, 2012 12:59 am

I feel bad for all those out there that are pushed into a shidduch by friends, mothers, shadchanim any kind of pressure ,
there should be a kosher ,chassidish way for people to find a shidduch of there choice, period!
are we frummer then the children of the Kohen Godel?

#6 dear therapist
August 5, 2012 12:56 am

Dear therapist who has an ax to grind against B.T’s. Why don’t you print your full name so all of your bt clients know how you really feel about them.

To #6
August 5, 2012 12:54 am

I know your English is not very well however i AM able to read between the lines and understand what you are saying. I guess im smart. (probably bc im GEZHE)

to 6
August 5, 2012 12:32 am

Ok I agree that most gezhe do have a certain personality, but you can still find kids of bts that have that too. I know some bts that you would think they are Shemtovs!

TO 16
August 5, 2012 12:26 am

You’ve evidently had limited exposure to BT Shabbos tables, because I’ve had my fair share of excellent cholent at BT homes. I think you should gain some more exposure. And in any event, this is all completely irrelivant to the main point of this eloquently penned article, to which I agree with completely and really appreciate seeing in fine print by such a leading authority as Rabbi Lipskier. Thank you!

from a gezhe father
August 5, 2012 12:22 am

When i dated i knew i would not marry gezhe. Most bored me, were shallow, or with terrible middos. Boruch Hashem, I found my non-gezhe wife and together we will raise kids i can be proud to call gezhe.

to my fellow gezhe – raise your kids with middos. Most gezhe bochurim and girls today are the bottom of the barrel.

response to #6
August 5, 2012 12:07 am

If you really are a therapist, you’re a disgrace to your profession. You write in such an insensitive fashion, putting down people unnecessarily. Many people rely on their yichus because they have nothing else to show, as human beings. A similar thing to people who are very wealthy. In shidduchim, people gravitate to what they are used to. This is why families usually marry families, who are similar to them.

Mazal Tov
August 4, 2012 11:52 pm

So beautifull and brilliantly written. How true is this, and if it was true then how much more so now. This is so important to spread arounfd!

BT cholent
August 4, 2012 11:48 pm

BT’s dont know how to make cholent and they have tuna fish on a shabbos table

Amazing article
August 4, 2012 11:41 pm

What a fantastic article, you definitely are a product of your amazing parents (may your father have a lichtege gan eden).
Your mother is a very successful Shadchan and respecttful of every person that comes to her.

to 6
August 4, 2012 11:40 pm

the problem is when the parents care about “gezhe” and the kids doesnt. and no its not always about a “gezhe personality” (which sorry, is usually a stuck up personality) but about “holier than thou” and will the last name look right.
It’s not fair to not look into someone- even a regular lubav ffb, just becasuse his/her grandparents were not in samarkant.

to number 6
August 4, 2012 11:24 pm

BTS have made some of the best chollent ! And the idea of a bal teshuvah is a much higher level then “getzeh”/tzaddik ! Its the diff between Ban and MAH ! Don’t be so foolish and make as if your a therapist etc , you don’t understand or know the begining of therapy !

an admirer
August 4, 2012 11:22 pm

Motty is a real pnimiyus’dike person who has real values.
May you be matzliach in your shlichus here in CH

a secret admirer from OT, 1998

Great words
August 4, 2012 11:05 pm

I just hope that this article will open the eyes of many people who are looking into wrong priorities

Therapist? More like "The Rapist"
August 4, 2012 11:04 pm

People who knock BTs are usually just looking for excuses to feel good and cover their own self-esteem holes.

Why don’t you analyze the fact that most BTs are more dedicated and honest and emesdik than you so-called “Gezhe” who rely on “my dad used to believe so that makes me cool”.

You are accountable for your own deeds. If your dad was a great person and you were terrible, you’re still responsible for your deeds. Think on that

to #6
August 4, 2012 10:41 pm

For a therapist, your grammar, english and overall point of view is absolutely deplorable. And what’s with the complex on BT’s?
The article is excellent, and not just some baseless opinion piece that we so often read these days.

Lechaim
August 4, 2012 10:20 pm

Very nice! 🙂

so true and beautifully written!!
August 4, 2012 10:10 pm
this is not the problem
August 4, 2012 9:59 pm

The problem is that ppl in the frum world marry for other reasons then what is best to sustain a RELATIONSHIP nothing to do w geshe or not! it can be how much the boy learned.. or other things that have NOTHING to do with a marriage!! ppl talk about these things bc the ppl that u aske are all armatures or not in the right frame of mind to give an opinion about the character of another person. Yes i agree BT”s should stick with other BT’s and work on their self esteem. I have so many clients that… Read more »

I like!
August 4, 2012 9:49 pm

Most beautiful and worthwhile “oped” I’ve ever read on col.
Kayn yirbu

EXACTLY!!!
August 4, 2012 9:38 pm

well written

Touched
August 4, 2012 8:26 pm

What a beautiful article! It should be widely circulated.

beautiful. chazak ve'ematz
August 4, 2012 6:54 pm
Beautiful article!
August 4, 2012 6:05 am

Beautiful! Well said!

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