By a woman involved in shidduchim
When phoning someone you chose to act as your shadchan please realize when you ask them to inquire about another this generally means you are interested in pursuing the “name” in question.
The shadchan cannot read your mind and cannot know that you are merely looking for a bit of information and nothing even close to pursuing this.
It is unfair for all parties concerned.
The shadchan,
The person being called,
And even you the one who initiated this whole thing. You lose credibility.
So please be clear in your inquiries.
Explain exactly where you are up to and then nobody gets misled / hurt / insulted etc.
This whole parsha is a very sensitive one.
It is terribly important to be considerate and extra sensitive.
It is also important to treat every name given to you as though it were your own –ultimately we are all one.
Do not say “uch” when a name is mentioned – imagine the parent of that child hearing an “uch” response?
Well Hashem is our parent and He hurts when one of His children responds with “uch” about another of His children.
Which brings us to “Our Father in Heaven”
He is the one making your shidduch / your child’s shidduch or whoever.
Your lists and descriptions are really not worth much as far as Hashem is concerned.
He already picked your bashert before you were born.
A good idea would be to daven asking Hashem to send your bashert at the proper time.
Listing attributes like “tall” “thin” “pretty” etc. and or listing your behaviors are merely prolonging the entire process.
Too many names are discarded because of the lengthy descriptions one writes about themselves and what they would like in their significant other.
Comments like “she / he sounds too frum for me” Or vise versa are often the result of too much information listed.
Some may believe they have to portray themselves a certain way because their parents are viewing this list and want to please their parents.
Some are concerned with public opinion and list information that is partly accurate.
Can anyone truly describe themselves honestly?
We need to go back to basics.
A yiras shamayim is a good beginning
Someone you can respect is another good one
It would hasten the process if rather than “resumes” or “bios” we list the schools/yeshivas attended, family and friend references – so that inquiries can be made there…
If you desire more information you can easily do so by speaking to the schools and references provided. Most often you can derive additional names from those listed and thereby get another perspective.
If you feel you do not know the persons listed then find a person you trust (something like a mashpia for shidduchim purposes) and allow them to inquire. Show Hashem that you honestly know that He is your shadchan and He will send you His pick when it is the right time.
If we start approaching the shidduch process this way we may start seeing many more (lasting) mazal tovs.
P.S.
Throw away your lists.
Some parents keep books with lists of names and entire bios – these “books” list attributes and unfortunately oftentimes the opposite.
Your children ARE reading this book regardless of how “well” you have it hidden. Hashem does not keep His book from year to year, why should you? Hashem starts a new book annually so please throw your books away – Little notes that are discarded when done is fine but to keep a megilla is counter productive. If a name resurfaces you can surely get necessary information again.
If i guy say he is looking for “thin”.
you should listen and only offer what he asks for!
The shidduch crisis was caused out of two reasons:
1)shadchanim don’t listen
2)Shadchanim don’t give clear details
be receptive & organized and there won’t be a crisis!
Yes it would be very cute if their was a shidduch made on col!
I so agree with you
99: sometimes it may seem when you offer suggestion to your single friends that they automatically turn the offer down or that they don’t know what they want. But what is really happening is that the suggestion that you propose for them is just not what they are looking for so instead of trying to explain themselfs again they just seem indifferent. They may actually want to really get married but to the right person, and when they get suggestions from their own friends that are not right- even after they have been perfectly clear about what they need, is… Read more »
If your unable to help ,then just don’t pass on the blame.
people like you and your attitude has helped contribute to this issue. Thank you. p.s you must be some friend
I have a feeling that ” does not know what they are looking for ” means they DON’T want to be set up with some one inappropriate for them yet again. i have heard that line before and it may sometimes be used as an and excuse from ‘well meaning people” if you don’t want to help don’t help but don’t make singles feel bad for not wanting to go with your suggestions because it is simply not right for them.
for starters, maybe try a non judgmental and non condescending approach that will help ALOT.
(and oh yeah, don’t try to set them up with people they don’t want to be set up with)
I have tried helping my single friends out, but find it so frustrating, and that I can’t get anywhere.. Some don’t know what they are looking for in life, some are not at all proactive, and just automatically send you to the other side. You can try to help, but after getting burned a few times, the picture looks a bit different.
I am #40
I contacted the shadchan since I don’t have anything to loose
if it works out between them 2!!!!!!! very cute
To 40 #
Your a 100 # right not all singles want to get married.Like I said I know what it feels like to be single and waiting to get married.Since I do want to get married and move on to the next stage of my life!
just because a guy is single doesn’t mean he wants to get married
that would be really cute if it works out right here on COLlive.
I am number 87 and my emailis:chabadshadchan@gmail.com,
I will be more then happy to set you up, if you are indeed appropriate for each other!
As for my name, I am not listing it here since I don’t wan’t it to be available on a public forum such as this, however if you email me I will be glad to give you all my info. Good Luck and may we hear good news soon:)
thats a cute idea except I don’t know this shadchan’s email address
I hope your beshert finds you very soon
I am #40, its really nice of you to offer. Since you are a shadchan, may I ask whats your name?
why don’t you all email #87 and let her arrange something!! 😉 match made on collive iyH!
oh and if there are any other singles im also a 20 year old single girl!
I’m 85 #
It was my pleasure, I know what it feels like to be single and waiting for your bashert.So I wish all singles that their bashert should come in the right time and to the right one and may the right time be very soon!
Once again I wish you all the mazal in the world!
to #85 thank you for the complement and the brocha
I’m, a SHADCHAN!!! I can set you both up!!
have we ran out of advice?
Single Bachur
Wow your young and very bright i’m very impressed.I agree with everything you said I hope you find your bashert very soon good luck!!!
Why does everyone blame their friends
moshiach will be here shortly
Yes but we don’t live on and ISLAND, Hashem put us in this world together with different types of people so that we can all help EACH OTHER Are single people meant to fend for themselves? Think about it
If matchmakers don’t help them and acquaintances don’t help them, who do propose will?
oh hahahahah well i guess we can be friends! oh well
your married friends are not even reading these types of things concerning to singles, trust me they are to absorbed in themselves. In davening every day it says to place your trust in Hashem and not in mortal man and you should really believe it because it’s true.
I couldn’t agree with you more. How close minded and intolerant we must be!!!!
Are our friends and people who know us better then shadchanim?…………?
Actually I’m a girl 🙂
sorry:(
weather or not it works, thats our system, so we must stick with it!!!!! don’t you know the world will end if we don’t?!
I think we (our frum society) should start believing that our singles have just as much value to their lives then the married ones. Obviously g-d wants them to be single during some stage in their lives and they will no doubt soon also find their match. It is simply pathetic how some persons think less of a single because they are not married yet. It shows on very low self esteem and educational brainwashing ( yes an oxymoron but welcome to the system)
Central planning always works so well for every aspect in life, why wouldn’t it work for marriage?! …What?? it doesn’t?? OMG!! How is that possible?
how do i find you? ur a funny one mr.!
great idea…
let me know when its all arranged 😉
cute idea.
the truth is that the single people that want to get married are the ones that care most about their situations therefore how about we plan a single nights out but, somewhere normal and fun like a bbq a manhattan beach, where people can chill out and meybe meet someone
First, writting about a shiduch and saying “trust in Hashem,” is the biggest insult of them all. We are all Lubavitchers and frum yidden, so of course we trust in Hashem, the point here is what are we doing right or wrong. If shadachanim wouldn’t be so so so busy all the time, and not make us beg for an interview and then call back to beg to remember us please IT WOULD BE A BIG START. If they would not just paint a nice pink picture, but say, ok single boy/girl, here is the plus, here is the minus.… Read more »
As I single girl I can definitely understand some of the negativity displayed above. However dwelling on blaming others for your single status is completely inappropriate not to mention emotionally and intellectuality dishonest. Yes the shaddchanim should be straightforward with you, yes they should not expect you to change your standards and goals no matter how hard the situation out there may be. I have doubt as to how much a shaddchan can ultimately help if he or she does not see you for your goals and aspirations that make you unique. However what is all this talk about shaddchanim… Read more »
uh hu
How could you tell ppl to throw away their lists, it doesnt matter what they want??
People like this cause misrable marriages, when a girl or boy get convinced that they have to comprimise and end up taking someone they dont like that much! leads to years of unhappiness. and no you dont “grow to love him” like the shadchanim tell you.
hahaha i just laughed out loud!! are u single?!!
stop spewing your Dumb idea at every possible oppurtunity.
it wouldnt work and its weird!
god made your bashert before your parent knew what you looked like so how about leave all the anguish and heartbreak not to mention the embarrassment and criticism aside and im sure you will find your “bashert” soon enough
enough with the talks, enough with the philoshipising and victimizing let see some real action, lets see some matchmaking, if we don’t do it then our children may chas vesholem start looking for their own mates, their own way which can be far more disasterous
Now there everyone settle down. there are good shadchanim, there are people who care. they are just hiding. don’t you worry one bit!
You speak of a “LEV TOV”, yet you probably have no clue what you are ranting about. I want you to take a moment to think about all your friends that you know, and decide which of them have a “LEV TOV” and which ones don’t. Let me guess… YOU CAN’T. Why? Because “LEV TOV” is too general a description. Perhaps you know one or two nasty kids in your class from years back, but how do you know they didn’t shape up? Maybe they are nicer than you think? Also, what if he or she doesn’t fit your description… Read more »
and sick of how some shadchanim mostly from the older generation treat good, normal, excellent girls. It seriously makes me nauseous. I wish I can write their names.
will the REAL shadchan please stand up!!!
you want to know the solution to this crisis? get rid of the chouvinism in our midst. I just want to cry when I see female shadchanim act chouvinisticly. I think it’s in their subconscience
can you please not publish these types of “advice”
SHADCHANIM: their are better ways to help the shidduch scene, by actually HELPING
While we are on the subject of people caring, I am a single girl in her 20’s who have some married friends and I get the feeling that they feel so uncomfortable with my single status they just find it easier to generally ignore me, as well as their other single friends. At first I became really upset by it, but I just realize how pitible they are, so thankfully It doesn’t bother me at all anymore and I know that when I get married I will do my best to understand someone who is in a different situaltion then… Read more »
good one
are the single ppl who know what it’s like and can thus emphasize. the married ppl are usually to obssessed with their own things I find.
You are so right, but it is just annyoying when people give their “advice” ( see above article) but when it comes to actual action they are so slow.
I have been dealing with Rabbi Moishe Raitman since the last Shidduch article on COL and being an extremely talented Shadchan Coach that he is, my whole outlook on finding the correct shidduch has changed for the better, now that I am more focused on what is “really” important. There are no miracles overnight but I definitely feel I now have so many more options than I realized I had previously. Advice for one may not be ideal for the other, but focusing on self-pity and why no one cares will most definitely not bring about a shidduch. Think about… Read more »
SORRY BUT IT’S COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT SINCE EVERYONE HAS HEARD ALREADY SUCH ADVICE. SOMETHING NEW AND REFRESHING WOULD BE GOOD.
yes if only friends would actually help a little more, then maybe we would not have a “shidduch challenge” ( and it’s hard for me to imagine that shaddchanim are effective nowadays).
36 let me know who “everybody” and to the person who wrote this article, it would be a lot more helpful to write articles on how people should be more involved with helping their friends and making shidduchim, then just their personal “affairs”. This advice is ultimately not helpfull. People are not getting set up or are getting set up with people who are ultimately not compatible with them, because that is what shadchanim do. Hence the “uch” response, it’s for the way the sidduchim are approached, NOT the actual shidduch prospect.
If a guy?girl goes out on a date and sees this person is not 4 them,try to think of a friend who it might be good for, the BEST SHADCHANIM are the friends, cuz they truly know you.
No not everyone is trying to help. In fact many, many people don’t try.
interesting ,definitely interesting.
If you make a claim to be one, act like one, be a mentch. Don’t ignore calls, emails, messages faxes,etc. If you don’t have the time or can’t say it and if you don’t want to take on someone specific , be a mentch and tell them and be helpful and candid why you can’t. If you only handle certain types of people be honest. Most shadchanim aren’t being helpful or honest or even doing the job they advertise by calling themselves shadchanim. Sites like the girls and boys list aren’t responsibly kept up and the chabadmatch well thats an… Read more »
Please use your time looking for shidduchim for singles.
That will do a lot more good then the above advice.
-Someone who knows
Why do you post things that everyone heard a million times???? Please, tell us something NEW.
I am girl who is 20 years and have been around the shidduch scene for some a bit. There are a few things to make clear: 1 – If a person asks to get more information about some one it DOES NOT mean they want to date them, because if they did then they would ask to be set up 2 – Providing more information is HELPFUL because going out with every guy just because he is available is INSANE 3 – As sensitive as everyone should be to each other, it is crazy how ballistic some shadchanim go when… Read more »
Obviously there is a reason why people are blaming the shadchanim, it’s not just for the sake of pointing fingers
You have to blame someone gor this article. Something are better no said.
There is a concept which has been successfully tried that should perhaps be organized here in CHT’s. It is the concept of a “5 minute” (could be 10 minute) meeting “conference”. An exact number of bochurim and girls are accepted (small cost covering fee possible); and each is given a complete list of the opposite gender in attendance, plus a check list of questions and queries suggested and/or recommended for discussion/inquiry.. An equal number (as participants) of small tables (desks, or very long tables to keep privacy distances) is set up, with a host of “chaperons” moving about, and every… Read more »
everyone- why does everyone let out their anger on shadchanim? everyone is trying to help and pointing the finger aint gonna get u anywhere. daven and say tehillim.
what do you mean? there is no heter for loshon hara???!!
it’s important to keep in mind the time’s we live in and not disqualify people based on relatively minor wrongdoing’s in their past. in today’s day and age very few finish the ”system” totaly clean
The author made the best point yet! Hashem is the Master Shadchan.
I hate resumes that just list job experiences and yeshivas and not any qualities about the boy (or girl).
With boys we have to look at drinking, money and temperment.
but don’t despair there is a reason for everything u really have to believe that Hashem is behind every single detail.. u may not realize it when u’re going through it all but every Jerk that says no to u, he thinks its his decision but that is why he’s a jerk Hashem is orchestrating it all and U WILL SEE when u look back eventually that there IS a REASON 4 EVERYTHING. I PROMISE U. Don’t Despair.
I ALWAYS get back to whoever calls me within a week , its not mentshlich to shlep and not get back to someone right away
and don’t make it sound like u researched intensely, if its not 4 u say just that !
u really do have to check alot out BUT, AND THIS WAS PROVEN TO BE BY ALL MY KIDS SHIDDUCHIM IF ITS NOT MEANT FOR U TO FIND OUT CERTAIN THINGS U WILL NEVER FIND IT OUT no matter how lon you will check
at least they try there hardest to do good
u really have to ask a close friend or very close relative, because no one else will tell u the truth. Everything is fine and good no one will tel u the true important stuff, like how this person gets along with others nad how he/she acts in their own daled amos and it could be that they don’t really know but when it comes to shidduchim u really have to speak to someone u can really trust and who knows this person really well unfortunately most shadchanim CAN’T possibly know every girl?boy very well. that just the facts which… Read more »
How about instead of posting articels with advice we have all heard more then once, we start posting some type of matchmaking networks….OR some ideas where frum chassidish singles can meet in a frum chassidish way?
Pretty good Idea if I do say so myself.
is going on here? Why are there so many single girls AND boys? Time for ACTION, Lets start making shidduchim ( AND NO DON’T BLAME THE SINGLE FOR ONCE!!!!)
LOL just lol
The way that shidduchim works nowadays is that about 5000 girls will go to a certian shadchan ( and maybe 10 lucky bochurim), the shadchan will attempt to make some matches and by the law of probability about 50 shiddichm will be made out of the 5000 and then the Shadchan will say oh I made 50 shidduchim! Listen up everybody: Distant family members, Neighbors, Co-workers, Friends stop thinking about just your self and your own family and start seriously looking for the boy or girl you know who is looking for a shidduch. Because as the times goes ,… Read more »
People should ask if if the person is kind or giving. I write this because when I was single (years ago) I got many such questions about my friends. Some went to better seminaries and some did not, but often, it was the nicer and better person who was not the one with the “shining” resume of life experiences.
I am horribly sorry that you are made to feel that way. You are NOT garbage at all and should never feel that way. I know it is hard, but in the end it is good to have nothing to do with these types of people and the belive me that Hashem will give you only the very best, and it will be sooner then you think 🙂
I don’t think Shadchanim should write articles. Just single people.
Get 1*, at best
NOT all people should become Matchmakers. Those who don’t respect a person’s individuality and life goals should just steer clear. YES I do believe sometime a person should look beyond his or her list, however there is nothing wrong with having certain things that you def want. ( AND SOME SHADCHANIM FRIENDS INCLUDED make you feel guilty for that,which is totally wrong) So To all you “Helpers” I say, if you can’t appreciate who the person is and don’t believe they are capable of making choices, then just find a different hobby, or parnasah. No hard feelings and your judgments… Read more »
Dancing in the fields had no lists, no in laws with their ridiculous standards (yichus, money, etc…) The bachur saw the girl, on the spot and they met , discussed, whatever. They say the boys were on a different level then nowadays but maybe we should try it. After all, aren’twe the same souls that left mitzrayim?
Singles, are we on for the big yearly dance in white???
http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?t=11481
This free advice is worth every penny we paid for it…
I’m surprised the author actually likes what I consider THE main problem… Calling schools/sems/yeshivos and references usually yields only vague info and that info is ALWAYS tinted by that person’s subjectivity. Bios/profiles are so much more objective, as they’re usually written by the singles themselves. That’s what’s so wonderful about ChabadMatch.com. If only more singles would sign up…
Who are these “mashpia for shidduchim purposes”? Can we contact them? If anyone wants to volunteer, please e-mail levvelzz@gmail.com. Thanks.
from 1-10 i would rate this only 4
Too right! 🙂
There are far more meaningful items there.
“uch” is not the issue!
The real issue that should be discussed is that shachanim are wasting our time and giving us wrong names or information.
We are trying and working hard, raising our children to be the best they could and then a shadchan offers my son a girl who is not into shlichus etc.
So, “uch” us not always directed for the prospective candidate but at the shadchan who is suggesting something that totally does not match.
1) This article misses the whole point of Hashgacha Elyona. You do the correct thing (a list DOES make sense IF it is a sensible list!) and the Hashgacha will take care of itself. You don’t open a grocery in the Sahara and expect the Zon Umefarness Hakol to give you parnassa. You do the study, get a business plan, and then proceed. And it needs to be a SENSIBLE plan. 2) It is sad that a shadchan lists the pimary qualities for a shidduch, but misses THE most important one for life. A LEV TOV. Marry a good-hearted spouse… Read more »
l hate to say it,but we got all kinds of nasty remarks,plus NOOOO we don’t wanna have anything to do with you,some shaddium were nice enough to be polite to our faces, l simpiy can’t tell you how much l feel like garbage, this is terrible hard to deal with,the rebbe did give us a bracha to get married, the tears are overwhelming.
I am called alot about my friends for shidduchim that come up for them, and I must say that alot of mothers ask the most REDICULOUS and silly questions.
I never know what to answer
are they nice and easygoing but not too flaky but not too intense?
and other crazy questions that drive me nuts
I know someone with a bunch of notebooks, and thats all she has. too much focus on the details and nobody getting married. I agree , parents, get rid of the notebooks let go of the little things.
This is supposed to help people get married? To tell people to discard their personalities and desires? No wonder the shidduch system is so messed up with people who act deceptively and manipulatively at the helm …
I think that must of been the worst article about shidduchim. The only point that was made is don’t make a list. Give us facts.
This article brings up many good points. And the main point is that Hashem does make the shidduchim…..however, if we look at Tu B’Av, we do see that the girls went out to the fields and the bochurim came to choose their wives. Seeing the prospective shidduch does often make a difference. Far too many shadchanim reject the idea of showing a picture before the couple goes out. I do understand pictures can be misleading but on the other hand, so many young people go out with people that they simply do not find attractive and it is a very… Read more »
so sad,
comon people we have better things to write about!!!!
THIS IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE OUR SO-CALLED SHIDDUCH CRISIS…
i Just wanted to be the first comment… and to say i LOVE these articles!!