Today, Sunday, an in-depth study and discussion on Tznius will take place in Crown Heights at Lubavitcher Yeshiva on Crown Street.
Speakers for “The Yiddishe Look” include noted author, lecturer and Rov Rabbi Nissen Mangel, Rabbi M. M. Gluckowsky of Rehovot, Israel, Shlucha to Binghamton University Mrs. Rivka Slonim, and lecturer Mrs. Sara Morosow.
Topics include:
11:00 am: The power of our dress code
12:30 pm: Guarding the sanctity of the home
2:30 pm: The secret of covering the hair
4:00 pm: Tznius: The privilege and responsibility
Questions and answers will follow each section. Suggested donation: $5.
A project of Mivtza Tznius, Crown Heights
whats the connection?!
https://staging.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3562
https://staging.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3562
judging form the number of posts in rcent hot topix
86 is alot compared to the others
only 86 so far…im the eighty-seventH פ”ז
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jews allow Torah to define “What” is or is not correct, polite, etc
Not popular culture or secular liberalism, which values PC more than Torah etc
TORAH: “HOCHEI-AC TOCHIACH ES…”
this is NOT a suggestion or request from G-d, its a COMANDMENT!!
so lets not fight those who are brave enough to obey G-d’s torah!!
caution: to those who wish to be “MOCHIACH” remember your goal is to be effective! not just to vent steam!
thus ONLY ONLY do it of your motives are pure -in the best interest of the person!! (w/o nails)
dont attack those promoting modesty as personally out to make your life misrable!!
on the contrary!! they care enough for you not to ignore your interest even if it risks them being unpopular!!
try not seeing halacha as man’s rules! being imposed on to u!
rather, try viewing halacha as the code of G-d’s will for u!!
for u,, so u may live a more peacful and happy existance in HIS world!
these “rules” have many hidden benefits which may not be immediately aparant to u, yet trust that the designer of our world knows best how we will live best and happiest!
if i or anybody likes to dress for turning heads than thats my own biz!! not yours to tell me that i got bad reasons for not following your rules!
please try making your point w/o all the “identifying” hints!
your description sounds like you are trying to purposely reveal her identity! how sick!!
we can all accept the validity of your point w/o singling out this kind individual!!
to post 56, (from a perspective of someone very close to your community) your agenda is soo see through, you cleverly misrepresent the rebbe’s clear views on sheitul, just to further your reprehensible agenda! the source of your bias was revealed revealed as soon as you revealed your story with the “unbalanced-lady” re your statements re WHY the rebbeh urged sheitel wearing! as his wish and plea of his followers! your claims (to know the rebbe;s reasoning) is completely fabricated fiction!! i challenge you to find even one source where the rebbeh qualifies or tempers his plea for sheitul… in… Read more »
i know a mother in CH who is an all around nice person, talented and very successful at what she does! yet when it comes to tznius she is very rebelious!! (like a 15yo BR girl with a bad attitude) shes in her 30s!! yet she admits that her reason to dress soo provocatively is her MOTHER!! she cant stand! her mother! everything about her mother irks her!! she never matured passed this stage! btw her mother is the sweetest kindest person you will ever meet! as is she!! …unresolved rebelliousness is a major cause of grown women acting this… Read more »
how can we download the talks?
if anyone outthere knows!
please post info
thamkyou in advance!!
maybe yes maybe NOTTT
i mostly agree
on the horizon?
respect = respect
my 2 cents
i began dressing carefully, bec the “system” somehow faild to “sell” me on the “incentives” that the “REBBE” was smart enough to “SELL”
i didnt used to dress borderline bc of low self esttm etc! that is only true of those ladies with knees fully wxposed, and tichils starting in the middle of the head!!
for me it was simply about NOT working to hard finding the perfect kosher length!
so its not in my head!! 2 days in a row! (hot weather!!)
moshiach can come now!! no more shame!!
i saw some very well dressed ladies this morning! looking really smart! and tzniusdik!!! kol hakavod!
i am so proud of the new look on the streets in c.h.
i dont wanti make an ayin hara! but thank hashem!! there are very visible changes for the better!
i mean the vast majority are dressing either 99% tznius or very close!
mey chayil el choyil!!
Rebbeh we’re ready!!!
for us who weren’t able to attend in person!!!!!!!!
but true in all our history! did you hear tat story of a girl that did a “crime” against the police or something (ye sure! probably someone said something abt her) and her punishment was to be tied to the back of a wagon and the horses dragging the wagon will go all over town so everyone can see what a “law-abater” gets. she didnt want cuz she would become untznius being in back of the wagon and flying like that. so she took safety pins and she pinned her dress into her feet! get that??!!!FEET! she did such mesirus… Read more »
whens the audio for the millions who weren’t there!
cooool it,
WHAT U SAY MAY BE TRUE! BUT HOW U SAY IT SOUNDS A BIT SNAGGY?!
NO OFFENSE IF YOUR NOT CHABAD… LEARN THE QUOTE: “SHNIDE DE NEGUL” VDAL
u seem very bothered by the idea that ppl will actually improve the way they dress, after becomming more aware of all the blessings etc!
why does this bother you soo much
you fit the sterio type of a defensive low tichul-lady who needs to mature some, and perhaps look inside her marriege for attention rather than the street!
sorry to burst your bubble! but the trend has begun to shift bec of style NOT these silly speeches!
styles are cyclical!!
the short skirts are running out of steam!
awareness campaign seems to actually work, i’m amazed!
I posted #47. Unlike #49 (though I do agree with much of what she says), I profess to being completely tznius! Moreover: I’m a shlucha and ever-conscious of my fish-bowl existence. Uber-careful to look both tznius and presentable! You write: “one who is inwardly satisfied and joyfilled, not lacking in security, self respect and jewish pride”toichin” … it absolutely DOES show itself to any onlooker on the street!!! “(a women with a great sense of accomplishment carries herself in a strikingly different manner!!) This pure and happy energy which emanates from them is obvious to any onlooker!” hahahahahha. I know… Read more »
but get help!
not re your judaism, but for your clear insecurities,
your NOT at peace with your ways!
i’ve lived long enough (in brookly) i know a lot about your need to deffend your choices etc
been there done that!
some good therapy can go a long way for you to feel more insync with your identity and equinimity!
your jewishsnes will automatically fall into place! once your inner work is processed!
try it for your own peace of mind
(sorry if i was too blunt!)
your 100% correct!! ok! please i beg you, try to streamline your comments into separate posts! even if you are rebutting 10 points from one comment!!
thaks to colliv
it always comes down to “RUACH SHTUS” aka spirit of lowliness
for someone who is trying to prove the opposite!
your doing a lousy job!
besides, her “yenta” comments are soo self evident any ways! there’s little you can do to try to convince everyone that you have a easy going happy self esteem!
Miriam H. Mosey NY
just an amused observer
1. your correct re the holocaust! she surely meant mesiras nefesh for judaism’s integrity throughout all of our bloody history!! 2. …”Also, for those of you who claim that ppl on Kingston are “breaking halacha”…there are so many grey areas of tznius”… WRONG! Halacha is not a “cafeteria” Halacha does not allow one to pick n choose between variouse Ravs, Poskim, and Derachim, one is judged in heaven in light of their unique heritage and obligation to follow the Local Rav or Minhag! especially re tznius matters! Sfarad must follow sfarad etc etc… Your comment re Dressing like the women… Read more »
I meant to say give charity (not get charity)..Meant to say leave the border not live the border…because my self-esteem is so high, I must correct my spelling..
Wagging tongues, Judgemental Harshness, Assuming you know why a woman chooses to dress immodest, You are the classic definition of “Yenta”, destruction of people’s lives. Gossip, is all you know how to do. Mirror Mirror on the Wall..what you see when you look are your own insecurities so you lash out at the one’s who display their confidence. When women trollop through CH in bikins, tank tops, and shorts well then maybe you can ask them kindly to wait till they live the border. Until then ask yourself why you are so hot and bothered by this, why you need… Read more »
One of the commentators implied that Yidden were killed 60 years ago to protect tznius. Um. Yidden were just killed. Period. Tznius or otherwise. Also, for those of you who claim that ppl on Kingston are “breaking halacha”…there are so many grey areas of tznius as do throw that whole comment into question. Many Halachic authories (though not Chabad. Still fine, frum…) allow married women’s HAIR to show somewhat, allow bare legs, etc… Honestly: Do you think in the MIDBAR the Jewish women wore HOSIERY w/ thier open-toe sandals?!?! And wigs did not even exist before MEN began wearing them… Read more »
No 38: I make no comment on BR. My daughters went to BY, and we sent them to do camp for one of our sons in the USA. In came the long denim skirts and bobby socks and we have had to give up trying to clear up the mess of the combined whammo since they are now boruch HaShem married. Whose left with the lack of self esteem? Well, I suppose, we parents wondering where we went wrong!
to collive!please post audio n video recordings for all of us who wanted to be there but could not!
such problems are at the root of all teenage mistakes with life long regrets!
your second point, is correct “dugma chaya”
but please dont bury your eyes in the sand re the BR problem (having the wrong ppl in place to teach us what “REAL” chabad living looks like)
its got nothing to do with “comfort” these same ladies will dress in the most UN-comfortable heels etc… freeeeez in the winter w/o sox and a mini skirt etc they’ll practically go on mesiras nefesh to follow their perverse need for attracting the wrong attention!! its nice to blame it on Yiras Shomayim, yet i know of plenty of self respecting moms who dress dignified and 99%tzniusly and do have major lacking of Yiras Shomayim!!! than you have girls who otherwise say chitas etc Mivtzoyim and in general have Yiras shomayim, but are too week in this one department of… Read more »
A lot of theories are being thrown around here. I would like to remind people that 40 years ago when I was in Sem the Lubavitch girls had no idea of the halochos of tznius. The level has deteriorated. But the biggest problem, from what we see, is that once a person has an image of themselves, to change is humiliating and tznius becomes nebby. Peer pressure, goyishe fashion influences……..these are what should be dealt with. Not insulting teachers or throwing around negative comments of low self esteem. These are not the causes from our experience. We need tzniudik, erhliche,… Read more »
The problem is what a person wants vs. what Hashem wants. If a female didn’t grow up knowing the laws of tznius, she would most probably dress in short sleeves in summer and follow whatever dress mode is in fashion and would most probably definitely not cover her hair. We are, boruch Hashem, aware of what Hashem wants but the yetzer hara may try to convince one otherwise-that it is too hot to cover the legs, that it doesn’t matter if the hair is covered etc. This isn’t a matter of self-esteem or connection to the Rebbe. It is a… Read more »
what matters is the message NOT the messenger!
(back to chitzoinius)
Agter the Sin of Eitz Hadaas,we were required to cover our bodies. In case you don,t know only animals do not cover themselves.I would hope that you don,t want to be on the level of an animal.An expose body is not pretty it is animalistic.
it is about time REAL lubavitchers speak about this issue
will it be recorded?
all of the speakers, in full?
please post and let us know
remember, you are pionting at yourself at the same time.
the lectures to men should be to bochurim. once a woman is married, her husband can’t discuss these thing with her unless she’s interested in hearing. otherwise it is at the expense of his shollom bayis & only makes things worse… if guys don’t want to marry girls who don’t dress like jews, most girls won’t dress that way.
collive, my one stop shop!
please help the non attendees
svet zein gut!!
when chooses to breaks halacha, your not breaking man’s rule! halacha is G-D’S will (undisputed!!!) breaking halacha on kingston ave is not similar to it is 100% SIMPLY BREKING G-D’S WILL “BEFARHESYAEH” R”L R”L do you really believe that HASHEM will give you a happy life as you publically have the “CHUTZPAO” TO DISS HIM, day after day, i’m not referring to one who wasnt raised religious! all i can say to all those who dress like $20….. watch out, WATCH OUT!!! not from the “taliban” but from the most powerful boss!! i was beorught up to love and FEAR… Read more »
happy ppl tend to feel happy w Hashem too…
Depressed ppl usually dont care soo much to be in line, bc they are misrable
joy has a lot to do with serving hashem!
i dont know anyone who chooses to dress against halacha who does not also suffer from deep self image problems, remember for someone to consciously transgress a serious aveira with such dire consequences for the men in the community, (not to mention the downward spiral effect on our children)
… such perverse and self degrading choices must stem from considerable inner conflict,
(at least for a woman who was educated to know how serious the rebbe considered this aveira, and how deeply it pained him!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
DO SOMETHING TRUE TO YOUR SOUL!!
(instead of treating your body like a cheap piece of meat)
DO MIVTZOYIM! DO VISITE AN OLD AGE HOME, HOSPITAL ETC
SPEND MORE TIME W YOUR KIDS!
SURPRISE YOUR HUSBAND WITH A THOUGHTFUL GIFT+LOVE-NOTE
THE LIST GOES ON….
DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING THAT YOU WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT! SOMETHING YOU WILL RESPECT YOURSELF FOR!!
NAGIC! YOUR DESPERATION LEVEL FOR DRESSING SLUTTY FOR OTHERS WILL GRADUALLY DISSAPEAR AS YOU FILL YOUR LIFE WITH GOOD ACTS AND MEANING!
(YOUR MARRIAGE WILL ALSO IMPROVE! BY YOU RESPECTING YOURSELF, AND RESERVING YOUR PRIVACY JUST FOR…)
for us who couldnt attend
there is a special priceless joy and meaning that is lost from a marriage by compromising the sanctity of the body in public
if all u people really wanted things to change, you would focus on what can you change in yourself!!
the rebbe’s approach is always to focus on yourself and your own chisronos. if ONE person would say AD MOSAI with a true heart, and be mikabel moshiach the way your supposed to, moshiach would be here for all the jews!!
this whole commenting is just a diversion from our own issues!! you really want the tznius situation to change, look at what you can change in yourself, and then the tznius situation will change!!
to 15
ever heard of rabbi gancz? if not, then i understand your confusion. but there actually exists a person who lectures about tznius to men.
its such a shande and pity bichlal to see that what 60 years ago our grandparents got killed for al kidush hashem in the holocaust, today is just being wasted away: the importance of tznius.
you can see there pain in their defensive responses!
these comments and lectures should be addressed to the young men and husbands of these ladies, do you want all to see what only YOU see? where is your self worth of your wives? these women have no self respect, if you can call them women.
get some “real” ppl in
DO something worthy of respect = you’ll feel much better
you said it best!
its soo sad to see to observe the lengths (and lows) to which these poor “nesomolach” will steep to, just to try boosting a broken self worth!!
dont judge them! be “mkarev” them!! by friendship you boost their sense of self worth!
I’m so proud this is happening! Lubavitch can become role models to everyone else in Tznius too!
your so right i love to show
off my body and noone can change that fact my oppinion
is make as much speaches and gatherings as you
want but nothing is gonna change if anything its making it worse!
You dont show off your body because you are comfortable with it. A large majority of the women dressing untzius don’t have nice bodies . You flaunt your body because you have nothing else to offer. Or, as previous commenters have suggested you are in need of male-attention. You can convince yourself otherwise, but honestly, deep down, are you not dressing the way you do, so that others will notice? I try to dress tzniusly and look trendy -and I know that I want people to say this about me: that I look good and dress well and that this… Read more »
it all boils down to bad teachers or clueless parents!
low self esteem is preventable with good involved chinuch
1. Hire teachers based and quality of caractor NOT connections
2. Training for teachers!
ask any student in BR
some of these gezeh teachers are soo immature and selective when it comes to favorites and pets! its disgusting! how they mistreat the girls who lack the $, status or yichus!!
these teachers call themselves chabad! but do everything the opposite in the way they live their lives!!
a bunch of fakers who dont belong teaching us! and turning off so many girls who think, THIS is chabad!
maybe we are just comfprtable with our bodies and got nothing to be ashamed, i have very good selfasteem!!
once i got of BR i got a good selfesteem! n i don care what u post or any body says my problems are
Preaching to the choir
What do you suppose is the solution?
I would love to hear
lets not ignore the psychological and emotional factors, behind the self degrading dress
like women suffering from low-self esteem, and poor shalom bayis,
the “desperate-for-attention” dress is merely a symptom of the inner pain and starvation for healthy love and attention!
when a smart girl gets deprived of good quality attention, love, self esteem etc
eventually they’ll turn to even garbage attention!! any attention is better than NO attention, even if one needs to humiliate and denegrate their bodies in public!!
such is the sad nature of low-self-esteem …anything goes!!
oops sorry, hes into tznius for men